Is PreSonus' Studio One what SONAR should have been?

Studio One has the advantage of being relatively new on the scene and so doesn't have years of 'baggage', old code and old methods to deal with.
 
On the other hand, a lot of us have been recording, mixing or producing music for years since before even Cakewalk for DOS and Sonar workflow is very familiar to us.
 
I have loads of PreSonus hardware that I use live and Studio One 2 Pro but when I record a live gig I always mix it in Sonar because that's what I prefer.

I have Studio One Pro and don't like it enough to upgrade it. I'm all in with Sonar.

I'm in a different camp as Studio Ones' engines seem rock solid to me, it does not 'Dump' my control surfaces if I don't turn them on prior to running the app (things that should have been fixed years ago in Sonar), etc. etc. Once Presonus releases the V3 point release (any day now) I doubt I will be using sPlat much.
 
I've been with Sonar for 10 years and feel comfortable working with it but I don't feel comfortable with the direction or implementations anymore. I am Thankful that they still offer phone support but I think I need a change of scene, a stable product to make music, and I don't need any more New content... Just my personal decision.

There are lots of folks using both Sonar and SOP. I'm one such person and I recently upgraded to 3. The features I like most about SOP3 are the arranger track and the scratchpad. Sonar has mix recall and whereas I can workaround the arranger track and scratchpad, SOP3 doesn't offer me a workaround for mix recall. So I'm with Sonar
I have lots of DAWs and it's clear that all have their high points but only Sonar fills 95% of my needs. None of the others come any where near that so I'm happy to stay there.

I had tried the demo. But SO3 just won't react to my sustain pedal. I don't have this problem in Splat and reason 8. I contacted Presonus but the answer is they can't help a demo customer. That is a fair answer and I do accept that. But that is also the end of SO3 for me.
I also have notion5 from the same company and it does not react to pedal. When contacted presonus's reply is notion5 does not support pedal.
I am just completely dumpfounded. I can't help but getting the impression that pianisst has been neglected by Presonus. Forgive me if I appear like I am ranting.

rtucker55

musichoo
I had tried the demo. But SO3 just won't react to my sustain pedal. I don't have this problem in Splat and reason 8. I contacted Presonus but the answer is they can't help a demo customer. That is a fair answer and I do accept that. But that is also the end of SO3 for me.
I also have notion5 from the same company and it does not react to pedal. When contacted presonus's reply is notion5 does not support pedal.
I am just completely dumpfounded. I can't help but getting the impression that pianisst has been neglected by Presonus. Forgive me if I appear like I am ranting.

There is a midi filter in SO3 and it CC64 is checked it will ignore any sustain pedal events. They also have a Forums, like this one, where users try to provide some support. That would be the place to go for help with the demo.
 
 
 
Kind regards,
Rick

Thanks Ricks. Much Appreciated

For me the stability thing is not relevant since about X2.  I used to have freezes when using melodyne.  I am happy with stability of sonar.  since X2 sonar seems to detect everything plugging in and out and ask if I want to add it. the audio drops out when I am doing too much but that is when I have made the driver settings in preferences too fast so I can "input monitor" with no delay for vocal recording.  so when mixing and playback on my computer I need to set the  slider over to at least 11-15 ms delay to stop audio from dropping.  When recording I use a simpler mix down (turn all the plugins off) and slide the slider bar to the left for better input monitoring, so I can hear the reverb or guitar effects on vocals or Guitar.    So I can't validate any stability concerns.  However maybe for one of these monthly updates, the bakers should just make it a patch/update month.  where all they do is deal with any outstanding tweaks that have fell through the cracks.  
 
I know one.  The Equalizer in the pro channel has a real time spectral analyzer view which shows the wave in the background of the eq display.  It is not exactly sound accurate as if you create a low pass filter and filter out way above where it shows the highest frequencies are, you can hear it taking out some of the very high.  If the screen is displaying the sound accurately then it should not have affected the sound yet. (according to the RT spectrum on the screen).  
 
There are probably dozens of little enhancements that can be made to existing features like this so maybe once a year they should not do new features but have an update rollup that just deals with making what is there more bullet proof.  That may be a bad example as it may make more sense for sonar to contract with fabfilter or someone to make an alternative plugin for the pro channel that already has tons of these features figured out.  (I would love fab filter to be intertwined with sonar like melodyne is.  )
 
Anyway I don't think Sonar is a "should have been". it is more relevant and constantly adapted than anything.  Now spectrasonics software and east west software?  Spectrosonics (Trillian , Omnisynth)has an update path that must circle the moon and east west just keeps bundling the same old stuff.  Thats my opinion.   I couldn't find a more dynamic in tune development community and shortest path first update strategy then with sonar.  
 
I LOVE presonus products for the most part.  Not the preamps too much.  But the scepter monitors and studio live AI stuff is a staple in my studio and live rigs.  Studio One?  I have it not even close. Sorry. This was obviously an ill informed comment. Keep an eye on studio one if you have an extra one. When I come across something I can't accomplish in Sonar with plugs ill wander about more.  
 
I have logic, studio one and have used pro tools.  Just my take on it. 
 
Had to edit my comment.  On updates and logic.  Really? where are the logic developers? You know to use the program full screen you have to change the resolution of the monitor?  yeah don't talk to me about logic. eww... (track templates sound good out of the box though..thats it).

I like SO a lot.  I like what it does and how it does it.  And it offers A LOT.

Me to...

Today was a good day...I got

Sonar Foxboro with more goodies..
Pro Tools 12.1

All in all that's a pretty good day...and I wasn't expecting PT 12.1 at all!

Ha...and I just got Win 10 Build 10159...great day!

Install went smooth....nice!!!

One other quick question for those who think Sonar has "bloatware"...I think maybe I don't understand. I always associate bloatware as those useless advertising programs you sometimes get with a new factory computer..usually part of a program that requires you to pay to get the full version. 
The only possible association I can think of to bloatware in Sonar is maybe Melodyne? But even this is a fully functional program with the only limitation being that the included version is a single track mono use and the payed version is polyphonic. The plug ins are all complete as far as I can tell......Addicitve Drums is the full version. There may be a few smaller programs that want you to upgrade but these take up less than 1% of the program. 
 
Maybe I'm missing something ( entirely possible) but I just don't see a lot of "bloatware" in Sonar. I see a fair amount of fully functional third party programs included. I can't fault Sonar for including fully functional third party things...like Nomad Factory which I happen to like. The alternative is to buy something like Reason...which is highly proprietary and non inclusive...I will always opt for the first choice and this is one reason I don't use Reason :)

cclarry
I think what they are considering "bloatware" is all the 3rd party
extras that come with Sonar.  The thing is...most of the 3rd party
stuff that comes with Sonar I quite like...so to me it just increases
the value of the product, not diminishes it.

Would I like to see some much needed improvements...YES.
And I'm sure they'll come in due time...all things in moderation...

The AD package would have cost more than the Sonar upgrade. Most proprietary instruments bundled in DAWs are often lackluster.  
 As for S1 I've come across users who didn't upgrade because of lack of midi improvements. I may upgrade if they have a sale but S1v2 is good enough for me.