Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing?

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2012/12/26 14:39:01 (permalink)

Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing?

Are people liking Sonar X2?  Is it stable and worth the upgrade if the bulk of your time is spent on MIDI composition?  It is hard to find details on most of the features I am looking for (improved stability, improvement to the start tools and midi editing (I find X1 smarttools quite frustrating for speedy composition/note entry/midi editing).
 
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    scook
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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/26 14:44:28 (permalink)
    The X2 demo would be a good way to see if the tools work for you. X2a is stable for me (so was X2 with the quick fix though).
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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/26 17:59:41 (permalink)
    Besides my guitars and vocals-Home Studio-I am all midi. I don't really see a whole lot of change-for the way I work anyway. But I also do not use many of the tools-like PRV. I don't so a lot of midi editing-just midi recording of bass, keys and drums.
     
    But I do like the "feel" of X1 and now X2 overall-so I guess I didn't help you tooo much
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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 10:15:34 (permalink)
    It does take a little adjustment, but I prefer X2 for MIDI work.   It's best to try the demo if you already know X1 wasn't to your liking, but definitely check out the differences so you know where to start.
     

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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 12:01:53 (permalink)
    You can also check out the online documentation for a list of new features...
    http://www.cakewalk.com/D...eq=NewFeatures.01.html

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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 12:35:37 (permalink)
    Thanks, I will check out the demo later today. One thing I am having trouble with regarding MIDI editing and the smart tools - I don't understand why it makes sense to have to cycle through all the various drawing tools. It doesn't make sense and really slows down the writing process. I get that most people apparently use audio editing rather than midi editing but if you enter a note with the draw tool using F9, but need to slightly alter its length, you will edit it with the edit tool but then have to recycle F9 to get back to the draw tool. That is like hitting F9 five or six times after a midi edit. If you have latency because of a big project, and you miss the draw tool you wanted, you have to hit F9 so much that you forget what you wanted to do by the time you are at the right tool. It seems X2 does not try to address this given the documentation. Being able to enter and edit the note must be the easiest thing to do rather than so many steps to get to the right tool. Am I doing it wrong? I can't be the only person stumbling through this slower note entry process.
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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 12:54:53 (permalink)
    karelm


    Thanks, I will check out the demo later today. One thing I am having trouble with regarding MIDI editing and the smart tools - I don't understand why it makes sense to have to cycle through all the various drawing tools. It doesn't make sense and really slows down the writing process. I get that most people apparently use audio editing rather than midi editing but if you enter a note with the draw tool using F9, but need to slightly alter its length, you will edit it with the edit tool but then have to recycle F9 to get back to the draw tool. That is like hitting F9 five or six times after a midi edit. If you have latency because of a big project, and you miss the draw tool you wanted, you have to hit F9 so much that you forget what you wanted to do by the time you are at the right tool. It seems X2 does not try to address this given the documentation. Being able to enter and edit the note must be the easiest thing to do rather than so many steps to get to the right tool. Am I doing it wrong? I can't be the only person stumbling through this slower note entry process.

    Not sure what you're getting at here. I can enter a note and adjust its length all with the smart tool - no need to "cycle" through tools. You mention "smart tools" but there is only one. 

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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 13:07:42 (permalink)
    It does sound like you have developed a labor intensive way to work in the PRV. X2 will work that way if you wish. X1 and X2 can both enter/edit notes without constantly selecting a specific tool, that is what the "smart" in the smart tool is supposed to handle.
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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 13:12:44 (permalink)
    I'm not understanding your approach, scook and sharke. I'm in Smart tool (the star) right now and unless I hit F9, I can't enter a note. So I have to hit F9 to cycle through the various draw tools to enter a note. Then if I want to edit the volume or duration, I have to get out of the F9 draw tool and go to either "edit" or "Smart" to change something. How are you doing this?
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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 13:16:34 (permalink)
    The smart tool is "the star", the rest are specific tools. With the smart tool "the star" selected, you can enter a note by double-clicking where you want it. To make the note long or shorter move to the beginning or end of the note and left-click and adjust the length. To edit note properties move to the middle of the note and double-click. To move the note click-drag or shift-click-drag. To delete a note, right-click. No need to switch to the specific tools.
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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 13:19:42 (permalink)
    In X2 you can just click on the PRV and drag a note out to size. I can't remember if this is the same in X1. If it's not, then I'm pretty sure there is a modifier key that you hold while clicking in order to add a note. Try holding CTRL or ALT when you click. 

    Then to change the length of a note, just hover the smart tool over the start or end of the note. The pointer will turn into a vertical line with arrows on either side. Click and drag. 

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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 13:21:20 (permalink)
    Great, thanks!
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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 13:31:16 (permalink)
    There have been changes to how the smart tool works in X2, there is a video that describes the smart tool in X2 on this page http://www.cakewalk.com/C...ONARU.aspx/Get-Started

    I am sure there are X1 specific smart tool videos on Youtube that might help you improve your workflow.
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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 13:35:34 (permalink)
    For more info see the X2 Smart Tool video on CakeTV.

    Smart tool in the PRV starts at around 2:10
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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 20:30:51 (permalink)
    I use Sonar on XP and it is not stable. Never was. I do not see any improvement between S1x and S2x. The difference is- it crashes slightly different. I upgrade because I keep giving it a chance, but it stays unprofessional.

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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/27 22:28:38 (permalink)
    EDIT Try studio one or live and see if that is better midi wise. Otherwise, you'll have to go cubase to get anywhere near as comprehensive a midi palette as sonar imho.

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    Re:Is Sonar X2 stable and does it have improved MIDI editing? 2012/12/28 16:44:48 (permalink)
    Edit again. I give up. I thought it was working better but I've had all yer gittin' from me. Funny, when I use reaper or live or studio one, **** mostly works. Hoops and hoops with sonar.

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