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2015/10/27 05:51:00 (permalink)

Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely!

Yesterday I was testing different drum libraries and instruments. So I had more than 10 soft synths loaded, some of them, SampleTank 3 SE e.g.,  with more than a single drum library. Although I have a nice Focusrite soundcard, I don't bother turning it on when testing things, so Sonar was set with WASAPI driver running built-in sound card at 12ms latency setting. Took me quite a while, i.e. several hours, to trigger different VSTis, load different libraries, switch MIDI channels, tweak MIDI data, etc.
Drum libraries are large, so the testing project required 11 GB, and I had a web browser open with lots of tabs (apx. 1GB memory footprint). Well, I had NO performance problems whatsoever! And my PC isn't powerful, it's a Core2 Duo based machine with only 8GB memory. I'm impressed, really impressed with Sonar stability and performance.
Running out of memory on a outdated PC with just a built-in audio set to a very low latency while having more then 20 web pages open in a web-browser... Oh my, that's impressive! I'm proud to be a Sonar user and a member of Cakewalk community.
Lots of thanks and respect to Cakewalk team!
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/27 06:03:55 (permalink)
Mine rocks too.. Every update makes it a little better, give or take a minor quirk.

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/27 08:22:28 (permalink)
Wish I could say the same... I think it's locked up on me about 7 times in the last week. Not sure if it's related to the new update or the new project I started since that update, but there a lot of infinite loop bugs or similar, it seems.

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/27 08:57:15 (permalink)
Mine has been very stable for quite some time now. Happy camper here  

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/27 10:19:15 (permalink)
Have to say that the Platinum releases have been very stable for me. Mighty prestige effort on Cakewalk's behalf to get this sort of consistency month after month.

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/27 12:18:53 (permalink)
I'm running an arguably older mobo\cpu\ram configuration and I have been very pleasantly surprised.  So far, I have only had one occurrence of something odd, and that happened a version ago.  The startup screen didn't draw the projects - just sat there.  It hasn't happened since, and it was NOT a problem for me.  Since startup speed has greatly increased for programs and OS since installing 10, all I did was just close and restart.    
 
Mission critical project work has NEVER failed since Platinum was loaded on this box - not once.  I am on it 5 days a week, at least 4 hours a day. Thats about 250 days or so - about 1000 hours.  To be fair - I only run three products - Platinum, AVI Motu drivers, and Waves.  I also do not do a lot of MIDI.  20 to 30 tracks of audio, 8 to 10 submix busses, 44.1 24 bit, and maybe a midi drum track until I get actual drums recorded.  I also use effects sparingly - and try to get the sound right - before I record, if I can - thats arguable certainly.  I master after the fact. 
 
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/27 12:24:43 (permalink)
Sonar is quite stable but it depends heavily on good external component configuration to operate reliably. If I'm  having lockups and freezes after an update, my first action is always to reboot to insure no holds on dll's, uninstall my interface drivers and the reinstall them, the reboot again. This nearly always resolves my issues. Good lick!
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/27 20:36:55 (permalink)
I wouldn't say 'definitely'. I've had plt stop working when clicking on the start screen to search existing projects...on several occasions. I've also experienced issues with boost 11 on the master bus and projects either crashing or refusing to open until removed. The latest Jamaican updates has caused timing issues on several of my soft synths including beta and there's a scanning of vst's issue as well, so I'm on Ipswich unable to update...and of course tech support still hasn't responded after 4 days.  
 
So for whatever reasons, not as stable as it has been. 

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/27 21:58:35 (permalink)
Big time stability here even on an older machine..
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/27 22:18:47 (permalink)
Sonar X3 is a great program but I always felt on my 32 bit system I was juggling effects and synths so as to not max out the 3GB of usable memory installed. Since the 1st or 2nd update of Platinum however, I can load those extra few effects or extra synth or two before maxing out. Very pleased with the stability too, haven't had a lock up or a crash few a few months or so. May have something to do with the fact that I'm trying to pare down my use of effects, but all the same, it seems stability is good these days, can't wait till I do the upgrade to 64 bit.

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/27 22:28:43 (permalink)
Stable here, but I attribute that in equal parts to SONAR and to the computer I use.

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/28 01:59:09 (permalink)
Still on Hopkinton (W7 64 Pro, Focusrite Saffire 6 USB, i7 2.7 Ghz, 16 gb ). Not long ago I had a week where stability suddenly plunged to a crisis point, but since renaming aud.ini to something else, some 30 project hours ago, it's been like night and day, very stable for me. Projects include *many* comp takes, 4-5 Kontakt instances, a fair bit of traffic among aux busses, some eccentric automation envelopes and middling-needy FX.  

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/28 06:26:29 (permalink)
Got my first hang/lock-up of the day here, on a project that I've been working with for years. Audio engine's still running and I can hear my guitar through Guitar Rig, but Sonar's gone to the white-out screen and 'not responding'. Nothing to do with my machine, this is a software problem.

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/28 06:27:59 (permalink)
On closer inspection, this appears to be the return of an old bug where Sonar would occasionally freeze while saving. This has frozen during an auto-save and produced a truncated save file.
 
Further update: Sonar no longer likes (at least) one of the plugins (Ambience from http://magnus.smartelectronix.com/). It hangs if I try to open it and it hangs even if I try to delete it. I'll remove it in Safe Mode and see how things go - but this plugin worked fine for me with Sonar for years and it hasn't changed (while Sonar has).
 
Spoke too soon - bypassed that one via Safe Mode and now it does the same for another plugin. What they have in common is that they're both 32 bit. But I have 2 other 32 bit plugins loaded in that project that appear to work fine.
post edited by Kylotan - 2015/10/28 06:59:20

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/28 16:56:32 (permalink)
Kylotan
What they have in common is that they're both 32 bit. But I have 2 other 32 bit plugins loaded in that project that appear to work fine.

I wouldn't blame Sonar for not being able to handle outdated bridged plugins. It's like having worn out tires on a new car.
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/30 17:57:08 (permalink)
I would like 32gb inside

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/30 18:15:49 (permalink)
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I would like 32gb inside

Have as much memory as you want but 32 bit only addresses 4gb max.

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/30 23:41:27 (permalink)
hmmmmm......Mine hangs daily, or more frequently. Probably is my piano playing that does it...

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 00:29:37 (permalink)
I've been getting increasingly frustrated with Sonar Platinum. I've been using Cakewalk since the days of Sonar 3 Producer, and for many years never had any significant issues. I began having some issues with Sonar X3, but was hoping that was just a blip and Sonar Platinum would be a return to rock-solid normalcy.
 
But it really hasn't. It's stable enough for me to use, but only just. I contend with lock-ups and system crashes on a regular basis -- about 1 per day -- and have a few nagging problems for which I've developed work-arounds (eg, Sonar occasionally goes silent when loading synths, and when bouncing tracks -- it just stops talking to the audio interface -- and the only way to get sound again is to either close and re-open the program, or if I'm feeling lucky, I can try freezing and unfreezing a synth, which sometimes works). I've done all the usual chores -- re-profiled this, updated that, reinstalled the other thing; I've talked to Cakewalk Support, and got nowhere (their final word on the topic could be summed up thus: "well, you're using outdated hardware that is no longer supported, so you're kind of pooched -- but have a nice day and we look forward to your next subscription payment..."). The Cakewalk forums have been useful, and I've gotten a lot of help from my fellow users, for which I'm very grateful. But it really hasn't made much of a difference, and I'm beginning to get a bit weary of it all.
 
I genuinely love this software. Sonar's intuitive, elegant interface is second to none, IMHO, and it has peerless workflow. It sounds awesome, comes with a ton of genuine goodies, and I'm very comfortable in its environment. But I'm getting to the point where I no longer trust Sonar to come through when I need it, and I am seriously considering moving on. I have a decently spec'd iMac sitting in the next room, and have been eyeing the UAD Apollo interfaces and Logic Pro X. I hear nothing but good things about all of them, and that comes to mind every time Sonar hangs on me (in other words, every day)...
 
 

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 09:36:01 (permalink)
Had my first "scary" crash last night.
Working on project "A", 8 audio tracks, 1 MIDI/Audio combination. No track plugs, only ProChannel compression on most tracks, 1 reverb send bus. Recorded the synth track to a PatchPoint audio track "live", deleted the MIDI/Audio combo, saved and exited. Nothing major here.
Opened project "B", 8 MIDI/Audio combos, 1 audio track. Re-recorded one of the synth tracks to a PatchPoint audio track. Deleted the newly recorded audio track (from the patchpoint), exited without saving.
Tried to open project "A" again, no go, SonarPlat crashed. Closed and reopened Sonar, try to open project "A", crash.
Reboot computer, open project "A", crash again. Obviously, something in the project was corrupt.
Closed Plat, opened X3, open project "A". Warning that it was saved in a newer version and would lose settings from the newer version that were not supported. Project "A" opened in X3. Saved the project in X3, re-opened in Plat, this time opened fine.
Something in one of the new features, possibly PatchPoints, needs a little more time in the oven.
It was late, so I didn't spend a lot time trying to isolate what "I" did to cause the corruption. If I get some time today I'll try to reproduce.
For a few minutes it was a bit scary to have lost the bounced project, but X3 came to the rescue. I can't remember the last time X3 crashed on me, so I'm a little uneasy about Plat's stability as of last night.
 
 

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 15:00:28 (permalink)
So, soundwise, do you want to confess you are a clone of a CW  employee/contractor? Or not?
 
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 15:05:31 (permalink)
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So, soundwise, do you want to confess you are a clone of a CW  employee/contractor? Or not?
 




So, willie... do you want to admit you are an alt account out for some petty, trolly revenge/paid by a competing company to dredge the software to find any excuse to post the word "bug" in your thread titles? Or not?
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 15:55:17 (permalink)
Sorry to see how many people are having crashes and stability issues with their Sonar set-up. Mine is impressively  rock-solid that's why I decided to share it.
AFAIK, stability issues  are in direct proportion to the system complexity. My PC is dedicated to just Sonar and only a few plugins and virtual instruments. Hope that makes sense.
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 16:38:08 (permalink)
I wish to admit I work for the NSA. Apols for playing around with the source code earlier..

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 16:45:43 (permalink)
I wish to admit that I am an employee of the NSA, Steinberg, Avid, and Magix.  Anyone who has been fooled by my posts,  well, sorry, rest in peace.
 
post edited by williamcopper - 2015/10/31 16:58:54
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 17:12:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2015/10/31 17:44:09
williamcopper
I wish to admit that I am an employee of the NSA, Steinberg, Avid, and Magix.  Anyone who has been fooled by my posts,  well, sorry, rest in peace.
 



You could be a unicorn riding princess from Mars... doesn't excuse the fact you decided to take time out of your busy dredger schedule to personally attack someone for posting their positive personal experience with the program.
 
If you hate Sonar so much perhaps you should move on to something more suited to your workflow.
 
*Cue* "I'm the REAL victim here" rant.
post edited by Beepster - 2015/10/31 17:24:00
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 18:11:37 (permalink)
Yes whatever, but the new avatar "soundwise" sounds a whole lot like "John" aka "I love sonar" aka "it's all good".
 
(edit): william (I am a real human being) copper.
post edited by williamcopper - 2015/10/31 18:27:31
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 18:26:19 (permalink)
I have Sonar on three computers. My desktop which is very complex, a tablet and a laptop. Sonar Platinum runs on all three quite well. It is stable on all of them. Further the tablet and laptop use the internal sound chip. Their specs are on the low end. The tablet is a Atom with 4 cores. The laptop has a 2 core processor. Both have only 2 GB of memory. 
 
All run Windows 10 pro. The tablet is touch enabled. It also uses wifi and bluetooth. So does the laptop.
 
What is it that makes me able to run Sonar without issues? I haven't the faintest idea. I suspect all of my computers are good quality and that contributes to stability. I wish I could fix everyones problems but I can't. This thread is really about the stability of Sonar 2015. It seems that posting in this thread how unstable your Sonar is is off topic.
 
I would hope those that are having unstable Sonar problems start their own thread about it that this forum can help fix. I don't see posting here as being productive. Also it will create conflict. 
 
BTW X3 was very stable too.   

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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 18:37:37 (permalink)
williamcopper
Yes whatever, but the new avatar "soundwise" sounds a whole lot like "John" aka "I love sonar" aka "it's all good".
 
(edit): william (I am a real human being) copper.




Really? Because you sound a lot like Dave "I'm gonna create a bunch of different handles and taunt the Bakers and other users with them until I get busted" or Droney/Godparticle "I'm a dance house GOD who DEMANDS respect!" or any of the other nonsense, junko troll alt handles that blow through here.
 
Edit: I'm Beepster a semi real humanoid who is for all intents and purposes a technologically challenged moron who STILL manages to make music rather easily and happily with Sonar.
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Re: Is Sonar stable? Yes, definitely! 2015/10/31 18:37:59 (permalink)
John, having sonar on three computers would seem to identify you as a Cakewalk employee, right?  In which case, it would be the moral thing to not post as you do..
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