Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines?

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 02:08:21 (permalink)
if you have tb or tb2 already on PC...you can buy a firewire adapter for TB and use firewire audio cards that support it ...I believe.....as said above  with another poster here on this thread...and adapters will come out for other things I am sure, the more demand comes out for tb Pc products...to the manufactures...More people are posting video on youtube than ever before...so video editing is increasing...and apple Knows it...so their next mac  desk top machine coming in 2014 I have read, is a smoker....

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 02:12:26 (permalink)
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but here is a PC BOARD SPORTING TB2
 
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7230/




Approx 3 months ago - which just goes to show still early days. Interfaces take longer than most technologies to adopt.

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 02:29:42 (permalink)
well usb and usb 3 was adopted pretty quick, because it was pushed on the public By a Giant...if the public pushes the manufactures, who help the giant be a giant,...the giant will change or get tied up by the little people....forcing change from the other side..., I think the mass effect of numbers should prevail over the giant eventually giving up the hold on usb3 it is not going to get any faster ...and something already is...(.Gulliver's travels ref.)..tb2 .cause it is faster by far over usb3...and one can put a lot devices on it at once....supposedly...I saw a Avid protools tb1 show, which used a  apple mac book pro laptop...(reasons unknown)...and man was it fast loading libraries from tb1 drives....I can't imagine tb2
 
That said if change is going to occur, more people have to ask the manufactures if they are going to support it, and start making it be.

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 10:21:42 (permalink)
Alex let me state that I am referring to an average PC like I am typing on. It came with Vista and now is at Win8.1
 
It's on that kind of machine that I am saying TB won't ever "take off" on.
 
You say a lot of truth that I don't doubt and agree with. Like interfaces being sllloooowww to be adapted by the masses.
 
I agree with Sir Les in that USB was adapted quickly, and it's all over. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't all cell phones (besides apple) today made with a USB port? It's not just on the PC anymore. It's all over! Not because MS wanted it, it's cheap and easy to implement.
 
And MS always has tried to make USB adaption easy.
 
Remember RamBuss. It was the better and faster memory. It just didn't take off because of price. Back then I remember saying I wasn't going to pay $200 for the same memory I could get at $100. What was the performance difference? Didn't effect me that much in what I wanted to do. I went with the cheaper stuff. This is another reason why I'm saying that TB won't be "taking off" on the Windows based PC anytime soon, if ever.

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 10:29:59 (permalink)
'And MS always has tried to make USB adaption easy.'


Not with NT4. Drivers never worked well or were not provided. In fact the scenario didn't change much until Win2000 sp1 (from memory). So it was a while before USB became properly mainstream, or at least worked well in windows .

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 10:36:59 (permalink)
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'And MS always has tried to make USB adaption easy.'

Not with NT4. Drivers never worked well or were not provided. In fact the scenario didn't change much until Win2000 sp1 (from memory). So it was a while before USB became properly mainstream, or at least worked well in windows .



My first Dell desktop is still lying around somewhere and still works.  It had 2 USB ports, but the windows version on it (3.1?) had not yet heard of them, so they couldn't be used.  I recently wanted to transfer some stuff from it and couldn't.  No usb or cd+w on the source and no floppy on the destination.
 
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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 11:35:03 (permalink)
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The majority of its customers won't make much use of Thunderbolt excepting techie types, i.e. DAW and Video editors, who are a smaller market than they seem to think.




I thought this as well...until acquiring a new Mac recently. The Thunderbolt allows me to add Gigabit ethernet, multiple displays, and lightning fast external SSD's that can daisy chain without degradation in data transfer. Thunderbolt drives (especially SSD), are a dream come true for film compsers who use large orchestral teplates with numerous resource-hungry VI's. I have seen quite a few ASUS laptops lately with Thunderbolt.
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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 11:38:50 (permalink)
Allen and heath have adopted it...They make good stuff ...And I can use an adapter for the desk I have, and it is still being updated with drivers for win8.
NoT sure about the other brand names though.
 
So it is moving in a direction with pro gear.
Consumer gear...well that is another story....I guess AlexS knows more about, and that is the most popular and used here I would imagine, that need addressing....But it is moving in a direction with pro gear.....and that is a great thing!....might take a bit before the cheaper audio consumer market takes the R&D technologies made and tested by the big boys...and import that to something that will be Low and mid consumer grade.

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 11:45:02 (permalink)
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'And MS always has tried to make USB adaption easy.'

Not with NT4. Drivers never worked well or were not provided. In fact the scenario didn't change much until Win2000 sp1 (from memory). So it was a while before USB became properly mainstream, or at least worked well in windows .



My first Dell desktop is still lying around somewhere and still works.  It had 2 USB ports, but the windows version on it (3.1?) had not yet heard of them, so they couldn't be used.  I recently wanted to transfer some stuff from it and couldn't.  No usb or cd+w on the source and no floppy on the destination.
 




I believe win 95c introduced  usb from my experience.

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 11:59:19 (permalink)
You will see Thunderbolt doing just about everything..storage for you media center and your tv....multy monitors for video and yes audio interfaces, moving mass data in the blink of a eye Thunderbolt 2 is out 20 Gbit/s...and Thunderbolt 3 is not far off...on a final note: people look'd at me funny when I bought a firewire interface..Its served me 10 years with out a glitch ... bring it on !!
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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 12:09:28 (permalink)
95 and NT were around the same time. Ms sold both OS's. USB was hard in 95, hence the term 'plug and pray''. Usb was still in its infancy though until win 2000 sp1

95 was targeted towards normal consumers and NTworkstation towards power users such as developers (guess what I had). BTW the line between PRO and consumer is increasingly blurred nowadays, its using being used more as badge of honour rather than a need. Normal consumers for instance now edit videos, use photoshop and make music. Years back people who did this were regarded as wizzkids (or nerds).
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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 12:39:58 (permalink)
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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 12:53:07 (permalink)
  If someone produced a Thunderbolt audio interface that had a significant performance boost over my firewire interface and it wasn't priced out off the hobbyist's price range, I would buy it.
  

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 13:04:51 (permalink)
Well for me it's quite simple:
 
Thunderbolt will stay a "niche" market. It's too expansive and the interest to most of the people is just null since USB3 is good enough.
 
Yes there's a gain, but it's not that big to justify the price difference. I won't spend 4x the price (simple HDD enclosure is 80euros with thunderbolt and 20euros for USB3)of usb to get a 10% performance increase when I get the job done in all cases. And for common people,USB3 HDD are way fast enough to read divx,backup pictures and listen to mp3s...
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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 14:10:03 (permalink)
There is an advantage to Thunderbolt if you use a laptop and a screen like Apples Thunderbolt Display. Plug all your usb drives into the display (which usually stays put) and then just the one cable from your laptop! but other than that maybe not so many other advantages.  I guess if SSDs drop in price or HDDs can become a lot faster then it is worth it.  Personally I would rather have the fastest option for future proofing even if currently I'm not able to use throughput.
 
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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 21:10:16 (permalink)
The list is ever growing ...   https://thunderbolttechnology.net/products
 
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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 22:49:57 (permalink)
intels recent chipsets (?) such as the one I just bought (i74930), CANNOT use TB apparantly because of the integrated graphics requirement Apple inserted... thus none of the recent boards can have TB.  I just checked, figuring hell, just ordered my ASUS P9X79... I'll find one with TB and change it.... I'll pay a hundred more... what's money good for anyway?  I'm single... buy the tools... ok?  ok... so...................
 
guess what? I just checked... and..... I CAN'T!!!   which really sucks, cause after reading about this issue... and spending a grand on a 6 core upgrade (MB>CPU>water cooler) I want to, if for no other reason than to hedge my bets... rather than spend a gazillion $$$$ for the appollo+card
 
Apparantly, Haswell is the first in our side of the "fense"... hense, the new Asus Z87-Deluxe/Quad $350 board... but it'll be a year before Haswell-E chips are available for a robust system so.... forget it!!!
 
Just sayin... here I am, eager to buy the right MB for my brand spankin' NEW state of the art 6 core INTEL CPU and I can't buy a TB mother frackin' board that works with my cpu... OY!!! 

 
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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 23:04:36 (permalink)
Check #2. Intel misspoke about Apple.

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 23:15:05 (permalink)
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Check #2. Intel misspoke about Apple.


OK, Alex... I always appreciate your wisdom (seriously... i do!) but WTF is the reason I can't use TB on intel's fastest chip, 2 years after it's been released???
 
wait... i get it... intel has been doin' lots of stupid things as of late...like most huge corporations... ie, ignoring ARM so I guess this fits the pattern? sabotaging their own standard... Have we mutated into technological insanity? Personally I think monopolistic practices are muckin' up the works and two monopolists APPLE/INTEL created this absurdity.  
 
However, when it's all said and done, I am thankful to all the smaller amazing folks creating all the magical tools a billion $$$ couldn't have acquired 10-15 years ago...
 
 

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 23:41:43 (permalink)
Have we considered using a Mac and running windows?.Not sure how that goes?..Just something I am sure Apple may consider in secret places, in the dark future of TB2 and their new machine with a new OS to possibly make more people Jump platforms and sell more product?

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/03 23:51:55 (permalink)
It looks like Lynx Aurora and Hilo will support Windows.  
 
http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=65
 
 

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/04 03:26:18 (permalink)
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It looks like Lynx Aurora and Hilo will support Windows.  
 
http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=65
 
 



TB card is 650$ when USB is 350$...wtf
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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/04 09:58:07 (permalink)
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It looks like Lynx Aurora and Hilo will support Windows.  
 
http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=65
 
 



TB card is 650$ when USB is 350$...wtf


I didn't say it was cheap.  
 
I've used a Lynx1 sound card it was a very high quality card.  I wouldn't expect the TB card or the Aurora and Hilo that use it to be high quality as well.  Unless you're making big bucks in your studio, it's hard to justify paying those prices.  

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/04 16:40:17 (permalink)
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Alex . . . nice news . . . so I Googled it, and it says Saffire Pro 40s are "compatible with Apple Thunderbolt to Firewire Adapter"
 . . . no mention of PC ?


Both CakeAlexS and myself use Pro 40s on PCs. Mine has Motherboard Firewire (TI chips...important!!)
 
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shmuelyosef
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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/04 16:44:35 (permalink)
You can still get Thunderbolt in some high end bundled MOBO/Chassis setups sold as "barebones", e.g.
 
http://us.shuttle.com/barebone/models/SX48P2_E_spec.html

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Re: Is Thunderbolt Ever Going to Take Off for Windows Machines? 2013/12/05 12:07:46 (permalink)
From what I read this was sposed to happen .... ASUS' Thunderbolt EX Upgrade Card for 7-series Motherboards.
 
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5935/asus-thunderbolt-ex-upgrade-card-for-7series-motherboards
 
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