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Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
The word Platinum aside, with everything we have in Sonar Platinum (console emulation, ca2a, Pro Channel EQ and other modules) is it worth spending money on something like the Waves Platinum bundle? It includes 50 Waves plugins and is on sale for $495 (after additional discount) at Audiodeluxe.com until the end of the day today (9/6/16).
Would love to hear what people who actually have these plugins think. Thanks!
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/06 11:35:19
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☄ Helpfulby telecharge 2016/09/07 18:05:08
The plugins are different to a degree but provide mostly the same functionality, I personally would find them redundant and would not fork over the $500 for them. I've used a number of them in the bundle, and still own a few, but don't even use them. The thing that is generally lacking in the basic Plat bundle is the "maximizer" / limiting plugs. However, I got a free/cheap one that is quite good and I preferred it to many more expensive ones. http://www.toneboosters.com/tb-barricade/ (they made a computer music magazine version, so I refer to that one as the free one - though it would cost about $5 to get it). Other plugs like the compressors would add different flavors, as well as the de-essers. The question would be do you want/need those flavors at a $500 output? I also recommend the MJUC Compressor for different flavors. Way cheaper than the Waves stuff and sound and works great.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/06 11:39:34
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Thanks, Brian, for taking the time to give such a thorough response. Much appreciated!
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/06 12:23:41
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i will say Waves NLS sounds better than the Console Emulation in Sonar.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/06 12:29:42
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Toneboosters TB-Barricade costs $19.95 to buy.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/06 13:33:04
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mcstringer413
Toneboosters TB-Barricade costs $19.95 to buy.
The computer music version is free with the purchase of a digital copy of any recent issue (which is ~$5). Yes, the full version direct from them is $20. The function between the two is very similar.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/06 13:37:29
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I have Waves Mercury and I use parts of it on every mix.
As myolpal, that's what makes a horse race.
It takes all kinds.
Brian owns them and doesn't use them, I do. Go figure.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
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☄ Helpfulby telecharge 2016/09/07 18:06:35
I would not go for it - I find very little of the extras worth it compared to other bundle combinations. It's just 10 more plugs not in the Gold bundle, and Renaissance Channel is the only one I added separately having vouchers at some time. Waves Gold bundle you can get some time very year down close to $250. Other necessities for me are: a) CLA Classic compressors b) Kramer TTT c) SSL 4000 d) NLS non-linear summer e) Tune full version, not supported by Sonar though, Maybe Melodyne compares, don't know. f) IR1 reverb and none of that extra over Gold is in Platinum bundle. So look out for campaigns for these, I really use them everywhere. And Waves support is excellent, and really well thought out consistent with all plugins with help, A/B testing and also own presets in menues easily accessible, no looking on disk for them. And their license system is less intrusive than iLok(Softtube use it if getting that), you can use disk or just any memorystick on usb. I never ran a Sonar with PC though, so if any compares I cannot say.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/06 15:30:58
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SilverBlueMedallion
i will say Waves NLS sounds better than the Console Emulation in Sonar.
It also isn't included in the bundle the OP is looking at.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/06 20:30:29
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Thanks to everyone for their input and suggestions.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/06 20:59:25
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i have Waves Gold... if u can get it for under $200 it's a pretty good deal and has some plugs that compliment SPLAT. Platinum would be nice but out of my budget.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/06 21:08:00
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You can always pick and choose from Waves plugins since they often have weekly or weekend specials that cost starting at $29 per plugin usually marked down from a much higher amount. I've been taking advantage of their specials and over the last couple of years or so have picked up quite a few USEFUL plugins. Their quality is quite high. Get on their email list and check every week. Sometimes they have a one-day special as well as buy one and get another plug thrown in for free.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/07 03:06:51
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this is good advice: digimidi
You can always pick and choose from Waves plugins since they often have weekly or weekend specials that cost starting at $29 per plugin usually marked down from a much higher amount. I've been taking advantage of their specials and over the last couple of years or so have picked up quite a few USEFUL plugins. Their quality is quite high. Get on their email list and check every week. Sometimes they have a one-day special as well as buy one and get another plug thrown in for free.
I wouldn't go for a bundle. WAVES has got excellent plugs, but you need to pick what you really need. Some of the best have been mentioned above (IR1, NLS, ...) but whether they fit your requirements you need to decide yourself. The ones I bought with some smaller bundle I hardly use, the ones carefully I selected for a reason see heavy use. Don't forget you can demo each one to see if you really need it!
post edited by Rob[at]Sound-Rehab - 2016/09/07 03:28:50
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/07 04:31:02
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to be honest, Waves is putting loads of useless crap in cheaper bundles, basically the Waves plugins I really enjoyed were part of Mercury bundle, so get the Mercury demo, determine what plugins you like and then - either buy that huge 7600$ pack, OR (subscribe the newsletter and) keep an eye on (weekend) deals and just get individual plugins!
btw I suggest checking DMG Audio and FabFilter plugins ;)
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/07 13:06:34
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I just de-installed a big waves bundle -- the endless checks for licensing, requiring internet access each time, were driving me nuts and I didn't use much if any of it on a regular basis. Big waste of money, imo.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/07 13:21:55
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There is no need for internet based licensing at all if you put the license on a standard USB stick. On the whole, I really like their licensing scheme. One time I forgot my USB stick at home and I could activate online (once per year limit unless you later retrieve the original USB license). Pretty slick.
H-Delay, Puigtech EQs, L2, IR-L (with its useful 5GB impulse library), Maxxbass and the Renaissance stuff are staples of almost every project I have and I have plenty of FabFilter and other plugs too. It's true there are some in there that I wouldn't really use. But there are also some in there that are quite unique (Maxxbass and Doppler for instance). Whether it's worth the money is up to you.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/07 13:28:47
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There is no need for internet based licensing at all if you put the license on a standard USB stick. On the whole, I really like their licensing scheme. One time I forgot my USB stick at home and I could activate online (once per year limit unless you later retrieve the original USB license). Pretty slick.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/07 16:09:39
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I just de-installed a big waves bundle -- the endless checks for licensing, requiring internet access each time, were driving me nuts and I didn't use much if any of it on a regular basis. Big waste of money, imo.
You must be doing something wrong. You can have local licenses on your HDD or USB stick.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/07 17:11:21
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Thank you all for the info!!!
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/07 17:15:51
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Always possible I'm doing something wrong, but with the licenses on my hard disk, Sonar Platinum startup (even before selecting a saved project to open) went from instant to 30-60 seconds of wait time. I'm certain it was waves because it's gone now.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/07 17:33:31
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Still instant for me. Waves plugs are scanned in the background and are really quick unless my installation has been modified. I have Horizon. Did you have a demo or a bought product? Always possible there is a difference in the license handling.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/07 18:03:35
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Certainly many possibilities. Mine is (was .. uninstalled at the moment) a bought Diamond bundle. Maybe the access was so slow because I usually have the internet deactivated, so perhaps each of those 60 plugins was trying briefly to say hi to home, and report on what I was up to. At this point, waves (not even present) still crashes cubase on startup. Used to be present and not now? Crash.
post edited by williamcopper - 2016/09/07 18:27:18
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/07 22:38:46
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Any of you use the Waves RS56? It's on sale for $43.56.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/08 02:48:16
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FWIW, Waves support is awesome. You have to have a membership but in that it's much like Sonar. You get a one year subscription for your plugs when you buy them. So if you run into any issues like WilliamCopper, give them a ring or an email. They respond within a day usually and go out of their way to solve your issue.
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Re: Is Waves Platinum Bundle in Sonar Platinum Redundant or Worth It?
2016/09/08 07:40:30
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pinguinotuerto
Any of you use the Waves RS56? It's on sale for $43.56.
Described as a passive equalizer with powerful sound-shaping capabilities, the RS56 Universal Tone Control was originally introduced in the early 1950s and used in Abbey Road Studios to prepare recordings for the record-lathe, as part of the process we now know as “mastering.”
Hi. I really love the RS56. It has become one of my new favorites. All the best.
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