Adji
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Is X2 THAT Different?
Just wondering on your opinions on this.
X1 was the first time I came to Sonar (after trying a demo of 8.5) and X1 was a massive new world for me and one which I really like. I bought X2 as soon as I knew it was available for preorder and finally finished installing it about half an hour ago. Now I know I only have half an hour of messing about with it so I'm yet to really delve into it, but not much seems to have changed? It seems like a reasonable update as opposed to brand new software?
I appreciate things like the Breverb and Console Emulation are brand new, but other things such as interface tweaks and additions seem to be just that, tweaks, minor things.
Now I'm not ****ing, I like X2 and I'm sure it has a lot to offer over X1 but having played for half an hour and having watched the 'transitioning' video there seems to be very little that is actually NEW? Maybe all of the new stuff is in more advanced parts of the programme that I may not use?
Anyone got any thoughts?
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 10:14:35
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My opinion, and I've expressed this elsewhere and I'm now sounding like a broken record, is the changes make X2 oh so different to X1. And that is mainly based on automation lanes and the way you can now draw and edit automation, especially for the kind of music I create.
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 10:14:59
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Watch Seth's video that's stickied on top of the forum! It's actually pretty major in terms of workflow!
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 10:15:49
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 10:16:38
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It's more of a progression than the massive change from 8.5 to X1. For me there's lots of little things that increase workflow even more. Nothing really exciting on it's own but functions like auto zoom, the smart grid and the changes to the smart tool, especially in the PRV all add up to even more speed. Lanes are far superior to layers and while I still prefer the "in track" method of automation editing there are automation lanes as well for those that prefer that method. A huge change like last time might have made these boards self destruct. 
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 10:19:51
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Put it this way if you use X2 you`ll find going back to X1 a difficultly. Biggest thing for me personally is FX chains for the PC, not to mention the numerous work flow enhancements, lots of little tweaks make a big differences to work flow :-)
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Adji
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 10:21:10
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Fair enough, thanks guys.
I've already seen that video as I mentioned in my first post.
Maybe I'll find more and more as I work. I'm about to start a massive project next week, so this has come in perfect time :)
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 10:47:02
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X2 is a huge update but in contrast to X1 we focused on workflow enhancements and major improvements to the fundamentals and backbone of the program, addressing hundreds of longstanding requests and problems. The big top level areas are Automation lanes, editing and rendering improvements, take lanes, editing tools, zoom, snap, Pro channel updates, PC FX Chains, Matrix and realtime preview, UI updates, performance improvements and bug fixes. All these are areas that intersect with at some level with every SONAR user.
I'll put together a more detailed list of all the areas touched from our internal notes once I catch my breath, but for now watch all the videos being put out since they will give you a good idea of the breadth of features.
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 10:54:22
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Adji
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 10:59:40
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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X2 is a huge update but in contrast to X1 we focused on workflow enhancements and major improvements to the fundamentals and backbone of the program, addressing hundreds of longstanding requests and problems. The big top level areas are Automation lanes, editing and rendering improvements, take lanes, editing tools, zoom, snap, Pro channel updates, PC FX Chains, Matrix and realtime preview, UI updates, performance improvements and bug fixes. All these are areas that intersect with at some level with every SONAR user.
I'll put together a more detailed list of all the areas touched from our internal notes once I catch my breath, but for now watch all the videos being put out since they will give you a good idea of the breadth of features.
Thanks Noel! I hope you didn't take offence to my comments, I think part of the problem is I genuinely do not know what to expect in a new release as this is the only DAW I have stuck with. Before this I used a few other days but never upgraded to a new version, so when I tried 8.5 and then bought X1 the difference was massive and I guess I expected something along that scale which is obviously too much. As I said, I think I will probably find the UI changes to be more important as I begin work on this new album project next week. Thanks for the reply.
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 12:06:46
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I think it's huge, way more than it appears at first blush. A lot of little things, yes, but the whole is more than the sum of its parts and I figure it just feels a lot more... finished, somehow. I mean, there are still things that can certainly be improved (*cough* staff view *cough*) (I really should get that nasty cough checked out) but for now, I'm a pretty happy camper and looking forward to what happens in the next couple of point releases - they've been good to us, those point releases, over the years.
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 12:13:15
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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X2 is a huge update but in contrast to X1 we focused on workflow enhancements and major improvements to the fundamentals and backbone of the program, addressing hundreds of longstanding requests and problems. The big top level areas are Automation lanes, editing and rendering improvements, take lanes, editing tools, zoom, snap, Pro channel updates, PC FX Chains, Matrix and realtime preview, UI updates, performance improvements and bug fixes. All these are areas that intersect with at some level with every SONAR user.
I'll put together a more detailed list of all the areas touched from our internal notes once I catch my breath, but for now watch all the videos being put out since they will give you a good idea of the breadth of features.
I can't speak for everyone but I know that this user appreciates that immensely. It's feeling more refined.
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 12:14:09
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I cant tell you how amazing the workflow changes are in X2 over X1.
I have gone from fiddling about in X1 to full fluency in composing in X2.
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 12:57:44
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It's feeling more refined. +1,000 Just diving in to the "refinements" has created some creative mojo for me! Brian
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/22 13:13:13
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Mooch4056
Yes.
Finally, something Mooch and I agree on (until he reads my post here  )
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/25 08:23:12
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Like the original post , it's a big learning curve.
My only other DAW before this was something like pro-tracks
That came with my Digitech GNX4.
Maybe it's just me but does X2 seem
A little more crisp? A little better performance , perhaps
because they have improved the Engine.
Lets face it though , professionals are using these
Programs and making it happen.
you can choose a different DAW for sure , but seems
The big difference is what's offered inside or
It's intended musical use. the platforms
Are basically the same.
So unless you go back to analog stuff , this
Is the choice you have.
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Adji
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/25 08:25:30
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A quick update.
Been working pretty much all day and yesterday with X2, definitely noticing the improvements.
Firstly everything is clearer (more HD / sharper text) and things seem to progress more smoothly with fewer clicks (yes I'm a mouse guy, not a keyboard guy) and I'm just generally really digging it.
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/25 09:17:14
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I read all the opinions of everyone about X2 and I get the idea that we are all looking for the GOLDEN GRAIL when it comes to X2. I see the program as a means to make great music. Really get the sound that I want to hear. X1 was good ,but too many keypad shortcuts. I was looking more at shortcuts then being one with my music. The bakers have made it possible for me to be (almost) one with my music with the way the workflow is built up now.
Everyone has other wishes as far as they think the program should work.
Never fear, It's almost Christmas and maybe you will get a present from the bakers that will put you where you want to be.
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/25 10:26:02
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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X2 is a huge update but in contrast to X1 we focused on workflow enhancements and major improvements to the fundamentals and backbone of the program, addressing hundreds of longstanding requests and problems. The big top level areas are Automation lanes, editing and rendering improvements, take lanes, editing tools, zoom, snap, Pro channel updates, PC FX Chains, Matrix and realtime preview, UI updates, performance improvements and bug fixes. All these are areas that intersect with at some level with every SONAR user.
I'll put together a more detailed list of all the areas touched from our internal notes once I catch my breath, but for now watch all the videos being put out since they will give you a good idea of the breadth of features.
I can't speak for everyone but I know that this user appreciates that immensely. It's feeling more refined.
+1 from me...
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LJB
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/25 11:10:34
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But IS it more stable than X1 or should I wait for a patch or two? Is it worth the risk - even with cloned C-drive - to install-and-go in a money-charging studio?...
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/25 11:38:19
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"LJB"
Is it worth the risk - even with cloned C-drive - to install-and-go in a money-charging studio?... They can coexist side-by-side giving you the chance to explore the new X2 work-flow enhancements (at your leisure) while relying on your "trusted" X1 version for paying customers..., until you're confident that X2 can handle things in your studio. And since you're properly cloned, I really don't see any risks in doing so, IMHO.
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/25 11:42:56
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While I don't think it is more stable than X1 (YET) I do think it is a major improvement in workflow. Kudos.
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chrisland
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Re:Is X2 THAT Different?
2012/09/25 14:20:33
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Have had a lot of crashes in X2 so I am going to try to download it again and reinstall just in case the files where corrupted first time around. I like to try out stuff (demos and freebies) and don't use this as a computer only for musicmaking which don't really help i guess.
Really like the console emulator, same project in X1 sounds "harder" than in X2 becuase of it. Have still to try out the other new plugs.
The workflow and feel makes me prefer X2 to X1 and I haven't really worked that much in X2 this far, just feels better. Job well done Cakewalk!
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