Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file?

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2008/03/18 18:46:49 (permalink)

Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file?

I just exported my audio to a .wma file. When I looked for it in Audio Data, it said WAV (a .wav file).

I had planned first to make a .wma file, then next to export my audio to a broadcast wave file to burn to a cd. So
1. Is my .wma file already .wav file?
2. Do I not have to export it again, just burn it?
3. Is a .wma file as good for burning to a CD as a broadcast wave file?
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    Roflcopter
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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 18:51:30 (permalink)
    No, a .wma is a compressed file, not a .wav, whatever any info screen tells you. For CD you want to use the broadcast wav like you intended. The burner program converts the .wav files to .cda for the disk.

    You *can* use mp3 and wma too, but that's obviously less quality than the real mccoy.

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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 18:54:00 (permalink)
    The Audio Data folder is where the audio files you are working on are stored, not where projects are exported to (check to make sure where you are exporting the .wma file). That .wav file is probably the audio you were editing in your project, not the final export.

    1. No

    2. You should export both the .wav file and the .wma file

    3. No. Your cd burning software may be able to use .wma files, but they'll be of a lower quality and use the same amount of space on the cd as a .wav file.
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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 18:54:36 (permalink)
    peggy, you say for broadcast? as in audio? you make the output file as audio normally if it's just a normal cd player..

    If they have facilities for computer playlists and things are stored on hard drives (instead of the old days of 8 track / dat) .. either WAV format or MP3 is something they can work with moreso.

    even if the broadcast place is digitally based, they can import cd audio normally, and convert it to whatever format they prefer. so thats the best way normally.. or mp3 is the next best way.

    if you put a burned cd with either wav / mp3 / wma on, then put it in a cd player, it's gonna play a load of noise (the data that a pc will normally read)

    if it's less that 74 minutes, I'd say use audio format (44.1 stereo 16 bit, cda ).. and if it's more mp3 but at a high bit rate.

    personally I prefer the vorbis OGG format, out of mp3 / wma etc.

    but mp3 is pretty much standard everywhere and regardless of the computer (mac / pc etc)

    post edited by Fog - 2008/03/18 19:20:51
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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 18:55:02 (permalink)
    Hello,

    WMA is a compressed format for Windows media player, I like to use MP3 for CDs, Wave is an uncompressed format used for composing and editing recording and such, then when the song is done then compress it to a smaller format for CDs like MP3, WMA and so on, there is alot of stuff to read on the internet reguarding compression formats and the difference of them. Try to find a good MP3 converter and use that for CD's HTH

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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 19:14:51 (permalink)
    put a burned cd with either wav / mp3 / wma on, then put it in a cd player, it's gonna play a load of noise (the data that a pc will normally read)


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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 19:19:28 (permalink)
    he aint kiddin i dont think, they are the same. both are data files that make music, only one sounds better.
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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 19:25:37 (permalink)
    haddox only reason I know is where I used to go years ago, someone left a cdr in the office , you could tell it had been burned and no one had written on it what it was. Someone was tidying up the place ,put it in the normal audio cd player they used to listen to demos to find out what it was and well it was just a bunch of noise. I'm not suggesting she actually does it. if thats what your hinting at.

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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 19:51:48 (permalink)
    I think "years ago" might be a key here. If not, the data on the cdr wasn't any of the formats mentioned.
    I burn cds with 16bit wav files just like everyone else. I've also burned cds with mp3 files. Most cd players will play cds with mp3 files and m4a files. If it's an audio format file, it's gonna play audio.

    i remember putting a cassette with data stored on it into a cassette deck and getting noise. Hopefully FOG, you understand that cds are data storage devices and cd players are data converters.

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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 20:47:11 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Haddox Hopefully FOG, you understand that cds are data storage devices and cd players are data converters.


    no but I'm getting quite used to your sarcastic remarks from previous posts aimed at me

    thanks for your concern , I was rather happy I figured out where the power switch was on my pc last week after hhmm 15+ years alas the 8088 with state of the art ega 16 colour wasn't up to running windows xp, so I rushed out and bought a new one.
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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 20:56:55 (permalink)
    To clarify, a WAV file won't play in a CD player. Programs that burn audio CD's convert WAV/MP3/WMA files into CDA.

    WAV is just another data file that happens to be of the same quality of CDA.

    Don't believe us? Pop a commercial audio CD into your PC and explore it. They are not WAV files.
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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 21:31:32 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: corrupted

    To clarify, a WAV file won't play in a CD player. Programs that burn audio CD's convert WAV/MP3/WMA files into CDA.

    WAV is just another data file that happens to be of the same quality of CDA.

    Don't believe us? Pop a commercial audio CD into your PC and explore it. They are not WAV files.


    I think what Haddox is trying to say is that these days CD players are not so limited. I haven't tried it with a wave file but if I burn a cd with MP3 files (not converted to CDA) I can put it into the CD player on my stereo, or the one in my car, and it plays fine. It's good for the car because you can get about 10 hours of music without having to change the disc.

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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 21:43:24 (permalink)
    I wasn't arguing that... those are some modern CD players. I'm talking about industry standard audio CD players. I was just trying to clarify some of it.
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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 22:00:35 (permalink)
    Yep..I might night to retract that about the wav data files. but an MP3 data file will play in a cd player that has the little mp3 logo on the front. And like previously stated 10 hours of music on a disc. I'm pretty sure they stay mp3 files though, put that cd full of mp3s in a pc and explore it. mp3? or cda? I'd still be interested in hearing the noise that Fog is talking about. my experience is that if the cd is not in a format that the player can play..it simply does not play.

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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/18 22:15:20 (permalink)
    Is any body gonna say that even the .wav file is compressed? As in... it's all compressed? As in... .wav files are not "uncompressed"?

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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/19 05:10:15 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: mike_mccue

    Is any body gonna say that even the .wav file is compressed? As in... it's all compressed? As in... .wav files are not "uncompressed"?

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    Absolutely - a 16bit 44.1kHz wav is limited to a series of 16bit numbers 44100 times a second.

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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/19 09:04:47 (permalink)
    As in... .wav files are not "uncompressed"?


    It's my understanding that wav files *can* be compressed, but that 'normal' pulse-code modulation (PCM) wavs were uncompressed, in the normal parlance. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/19 09:29:03 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Roflcopter

    As in... .wav files are not "uncompressed"?


    It's my understanding that wav files *can* be compressed, but that 'normal' pulse-code modulation (PCM) wavs were uncompressed, in the normal parlance. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

    If you want to really be picky, you can say that any bounced track is a compression of the pre-bounced tracks. So technically an export to WAV compresses the tracks into one track. Think about the size of the file in comparison to the size of the individual tracks added together. A mix, by nature, is compressing tracks together.

    Then consider that Sonar runs at 64 bit internally, yet to export for CD you have to dither.

    Then consider that most people record at much higher than 16 bit, and higher than 44.1 KHz.

    And then on a CD you've got a 40 MB file that's 16 bit 44.1 KHz, Although your project was recorded at 24 bit, 96 KHz, and the Audio directory is about 3 gigs in size.
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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/19 09:40:58 (permalink)
    That's a more a matter of semantics, I'm afraid - in the same vein you could contend that digital is compressed analog. Not exactly what I meant with 'compressed' as in everyday understanding of lossy or lossless compression to gain extra size benefits. In that sense I take it it's 'uncompressed' - although then you wonder why it does not come with out-of-the box standard *lossless* LZW compression, like with .tiff files in graphics. There it makes great sense.

    The only difference between the Sonar formats (riff and broadcast) is that the latter contains some timestamp coding for synchronisation, AFAIK, and neither are compressed in the everyday sense of the word.

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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/19 10:07:09 (permalink)
    As far as an analogy to graphic files...

    Is there a vector based audio format?
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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/19 10:30:34 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: mike_mccue

    As far as an analogy to graphic files...

    Is there a vector based audio format?

    Technically, that's how audio is encoded and decoded. That's how you can have inter-sample clipping. When audio is decoded in a CD player, it creates a vector wave based on the plotted digital points.
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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/19 12:19:37 (permalink)
    Is there a vector based audio format?


    I think basically all normal sound files are more 'bitmap' than vector, although there can be some intrapolation probably.

    Only thing that qualifies in the sense of being a 'calculation' in the vector-sense, more than a direct 'sample' or even an attempt at direct representation would be midi. Has the same benefits and drawbacks as vector vs bitmap, in a way.

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    RE: Is a .wma file the same as a .wav file? 2008/03/19 12:39:26 (permalink)

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