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2018/07/30 21:19:22 (permalink)

Is apple done?

Some people love OSX but hate the hardware.
And they are now taking away features people use daily on new hardware, and you must buy that feature, via USB dongles, special cables and so on.
One thing to be sure of is that it is a shift in the air.
Pro audio / video people go to Windows or Hackintosh.
I have just 3 videos here, but I bet there is 1000 more.
Do you have any experience in this yourself?
 
Apple: It's Good If You Like CRAP

 
Let's Talk About What I Hate Most About Apple

 
5 Reasons Why We Hate Apple

 

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/30 23:06:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ØSkald 2018/07/30 23:45:16
I liek apples. Especially in pies. When i have apple pie, apple is done.
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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 00:47:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2018/07/31 11:45:26
Of course, there's all the people who are too busy actually accomplishing something with their Mac to waste time putting on a show playing reviewers online...
 
I don't trust people who make a show out of their opinion.
 
Of course, not everything is perfect in Apple land. I have a lot of things that I don't like on my list. But I work with both PC and Mac I can't imagine my studio not being Mac-based. 

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 01:01:59 (permalink)
How can one make a show without an oppinnion? Every artistik gesture is a statement.

That people say their opinnion on Youtube does not make them right, but it shoemws that they have guts to say it. You dont need to agree with them. I seldom do. But listening to others opinions does not weaken mine. It only gives me more info to base mine on.

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 01:27:35 (permalink)
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 It only gives me more info to base mine on.




You shouldn't use others 'opinions' as a base for your own 'opinion', regardless of who they are, your opinion should be based pretty much entirely on your first hand experience with the product, basing an opinion on the opinion of others (even if partially), is pure folly, and almost certain to lead to erroneous assumptions, especially if there hasn't been any good solid first hand experience, that's just my opinion.  

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 01:39:18 (permalink)
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How can one make a show without an oppinnion? Every artistik gesture is a statement.

That people say their opinnion on Youtube does not make them right, but it shoemws that they have guts to say it. You dont need to agree with them. I seldom do. But listening to others opinions does not weaken mine. It only gives me more info to base mine on.



 
What I mean is that this kind of review usually tells you more about the reviewer than the product they are allegedly reviewing. 

Underneath it all, there is usually very little substance. It's all bling and posturing.People wanting their 15 minutes of fame.
 
As for having the guts to say what they "think"...
 
I don't know what to tell you. Facebook. Yelp. The comment sections on every web site. Bloggers. Podcasts... Seems everyone is a journalist, a critic, a reviewer, an engineer, a physician, an astro physician, a biologist, a linguist, a psychologist, a climate specialist, and so on... Opinions are everywhere.
 
Although most of them can hardly spell their own name and many of them believe the earth is flat and Australia is made up.
 
Guts are not the problem. Brains are an entirely different story.
 
May also be worth mentioning that there's a lot of insecure people out there who seem to want Apple to fail - as if that somehow validated their choice of platform, least they feel threatened. There is such a thing as confirmation bias... 
 
I'm guessing this is why hardly a month goes by on most forums dedicated to PC software without someone posting some anti-Apple content. People have been posting about the demise of Apple for as long as I've been making music on a computer almost two decades ago.... Conjectures and nothing more.
 
 
 
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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 05:03:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2018/07/31 09:06:17
I resisted apple (not their phones or other items.  Just their computers) for decades.  I always thought "why pay so much more for underpowered hardware?  I can do the same on windows".  I always thought "who cares about the OS.  Its the programs".  
 
Well, I finally had enough of Windows,  their ridiculous forced updates..all the bs that goes along with it.  
 
I recently purchased a MacBook Pro 15 2018.  I gotta say, I absolutely love it.  After decades of wrestling with Windows, it feels great to just get on with the artistic side.  Its really been amazing.   Sure,  I learned to wrestle with Windows and I got it to do what I wanted.  But at the cost of a lot of time and and frustration. OSX is fantastic.  Head and shoulders above Windows.  It makes a difference.  For example,  core audio is built into the OS.  Its specifically designed for audio and the arts.  I can set my sound card to 16 samples for .04ms of latency.  And I get no crackles! Thats amazing.   Best I could do with windows was 48 samples.  Not bad,  but that was after a lot of digging in and turning off services and messing with the BIOS,  etc..,.  
 
But its more than that.  Its the way its all so well thought out.  Its elegant.  And beautiful.  Security is built in to the OS.  Everything about is well thought out.  These are things I didn't think I cared about.  But after experiencing how superiors OSX is,  How awesome Logic is... I could never go back to Windows. I've finally seen the light. I now understand why pro's choose Mac.   
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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 09:03:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2018/07/31 09:06:03
Rain
 
As for having the guts to say what they "think"...
 
I don't know what to tell you. Facebook. Yelp. The comment sections on every web site. Bloggers. Podcasts... Seems everyone is a journalist, a critic, a reviewer, an engineer, a physician, an astro physician, a biologist, a linguist, a psychologist, a climate specialist, and so on... Opinions are everywhere.
 
Although most of them can hardly spell their own name and many of them believe the earth is flat and Australia is made up.
 
Guts are not the problem. Brains are an entirely different story.
 
 
 
 



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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 09:24:24 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby ØSkald 2018/07/31 12:20:07
 
 What difference does it make ?
 
Both Apple and Microsoft are sucka$$  companies that only care about themselves and their bottom line .
 
Giving me what I really want or need in a quality computer (that I can afford ) does not seem high on either companies agenda
 
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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 12:08:01 (permalink)
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I resisted apple (not their phones or other items.  Just their computers) for decades.  I always thought "why pay so much more for underpowered hardware?  I can do the same on windows".  I always thought "who cares about the OS.  Its the programs".  
 
Well, I finally had enough of Windows,  their ridiculous forced updates..all the bs that goes along with it.  
 
I recently purchased a MacBook Pro 15 2018.  I gotta say, I absolutely love it.  After decades of wrestling with Windows, it feels great to just get on with the artistic side.  Its really been amazing.   Sure,  I learned to wrestle with Windows and I got it to do what I wanted.  But at the cost of a lot of time and and frustration. OSX is fantastic.  Head and shoulders above Windows.  It makes a difference.  For example,  core audio is built into the OS.  Its specifically designed for audio and the arts.  I can set my sound card to 16 samples for .04ms of latency.  And I get no crackles! Thats amazing.   Best I could do with windows was 48 samples.  Not bad,  but that was after a lot of digging in and turning off services and messing with the BIOS,  etc..,.  
 
But its more than that.  Its the way its all so well thought out.  Its elegant.  And beautiful.  Security is built in to the OS.  Everything about is well thought out.  These are things I didn't think I cared about.  But after experiencing how superiors OSX is,  How awesome Logic is... I could never go back to Windows. I've finally seen the light. I now understand why pro's choose Mac.   


But why not a Hackintosh instead?

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 12:09:30 (permalink)
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 What difference does it make ?
 
Both Apple and Microsoft are sucka$$  companies that only care about themselves and their bottom line .
 
Giving me what I really want or need in a quality computer (that I can afford ) does not seem high on either companies agenda
 
Kenny
 
 


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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 12:14:40 (permalink)
So i see noon has seen the first video where Rick Beato is really advocating Hackintosh. And if you dont know what that is, here is a video about it:
 


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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 13:33:56 (permalink)
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It only gives me more info to base mine on.




You shouldn't use others 'opinions' as a base for your own 'opinion', regardless of who they are, your opinion should be based pretty much entirely on your first hand experience with the product, basing an opinion on the opinion of others (even if partially), is pure folly, and almost certain to lead to erroneous assumptions, especially if there hasn't been any good solid first hand experience, that's just my opinion.  


How do you buy hardware online if you don’t trust any ones review of a product? I have never gotten the option to test a PC/Mac, soundcard, music instruments and amps at home before I buy. So, I have to trust others and their opinion in this. And I trust people over Big Company’s any day.

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 13:40:44 (permalink)
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How can one make a show without an oppinnion? Every artistik gesture is a statement.

That people say their opinnion on Youtube does not make them right, but it shoemws that they have guts to say it. You dont need to agree with them. I seldom do. But listening to others opinions does not weaken mine. It only gives me more info to base mine on.



 
What I mean is that this kind of review usually tells you more about the reviewer than the product they are allegedly reviewing. 

Underneath it all, there is usually very little substance. It's all bling and posturing.People wanting their 15 minutes of fame.
 
As for having the guts to say what they "think"...
 
I don't know what to tell you. Facebook. Yelp. The comment sections on every web site. Bloggers. Podcasts... Seems everyone is a journalist, a critic, a reviewer, an engineer, a physician, an astro physician, a biologist, a linguist, a psychologist, a climate specialist, and so on... Opinions are everywhere.
 
Although most of them can hardly spell their own name and many of them believe the earth is flat and Australia is made up.
 
Guts are not the problem. Brains are an entirely different story.
 
May also be worth mentioning that there's a lot of insecure people out there who seem to want Apple to fail - as if that somehow validated their choice of platform, least they feel threatened. There is such a thing as confirmation bias... 
 
I'm guessing this is why hardly a month goes by on most forums dedicated to PC software without someone posting some anti-Apple content. People have been posting about the demise of Apple for as long as I've been making music on a computer almost two decades ago.... Conjectures and nothing more.
 


So, you don’t want people to say their opinion?
Does their opinion hurt your opinion in some way?
And what is the criteria to be able to tell one’s opinion?
Do you have to be healthy in any way?
Like if you have a disability your disqualified to tell yours because you can’t spell or something?
And who are you to tell who’s the one with the biggest brain?
Does a chess match do the trick?
 
And lastly.
Why love a big company that don’t love you back?
It’s the same with Apple, Microsoft, Google and the rest.




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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 15:39:37 (permalink)
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But why not a Hackintosh instead?





 
I seriously looked into it.  But first off, you need a copy of OSX.  I don't have one,  and Apple doesn't sell it without the hardware.  I don't know how others got theirs, but I wanted a serious music machine for professional work.  I'm not trusting illegal or pirated software for professional work. Especially the OS.
 
Also,  it seemed  complicated. I looked at tony mac and other sites.  You need specific hardware and hex this and that...I'm capable of doing it...but the time and energy...it ends up costing a lot more than just buying a mac.
 
Finally what convinced me was the release of the new 2018 MacBook pros 15 a couple of weeks ago.  The hardware is plenty powerful.  The  display is gorgeous. The machine itself is top quality.  The integration with the os and hardware is great.  I even love the touchbar and the keyboard.  And the supposedly 'dongle gate' is not even a real issue.  I bought these little USB A to USB c adaptors that I plug to the end of my existing USB A cables.  They where $10 a pair.  No big deal.   
 
 
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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 16:05:10 (permalink)
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But why not a Hackintosh instead?





 
I seriously looked into it.  But first off, you need a copy of OSX.  I don't have one,  and Apple doesn't sell it without the hardware.  I don't know how others got theirs, but I wanted a serious music machine for professional work.  I'm not trusting illegal or pirated software for professional work. Especially the OS.
 
Also,  it seemed  complicated. I looked at tony mac and other sites.  You need specific hardware and hex this and that...I'm capable of doing it...but the time and energy...it ends up costing a lot more than just buying a mac.
 
Finally what convinced me was the release of the new 2018 MacBook pros 15 a couple of weeks ago.  The hardware is plenty powerful.  The  display is gorgeous. The machine itself is top quality.  The integration with the os and hardware is great.  I even love the touchbar and the keyboard.  And the supposedly 'dongle gate' is not even a real issue.  I bought these little USB A to USB c adaptors that I plug to the end of my existing USB A cables.  They where $10 a pair.  No big deal.   


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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 16:17:21 (permalink)
Apple is so “done” that it’s expected to soon become the first company valued at $1,000,000,000,000.

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 17:27:18 (permalink)
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Apple is so “done” that it’s expected to soon become the first company valued at $1,000,000,000,000.



That's not because of their computer sales.  
Apple was on-the-brink before the original iPhone was released. 

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 19:01:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TheMaartian 2018/07/31 19:29:52
The reason higher-end Pros are moving from Apple - because their hardware *lags* (years sometimes) behind the curve... and there's literally zero internal expansion.  
Apple has essentially abandoned their long-time audio/video power-users.
 
Many Mac based composers are forced to use VE Pro "Slave" machines... to achieve the configuration/performance they need.
 
ie:  Composing for popular video games has opened up new career opportunities.
In this realm, the music needs to be similar to what you'd hear in a feature film, but there's no budget for recording a full orchestra.  Sample libraries are used to create the dense orchestral "mock-ups". 
Video game composers push computer hardware/software to the limits.
  • High clock-speed
  • Intel i7 or i9 CPU with six+ CPU cores
  • 64-128GB RAM
  • Numerous SSDs (with room to expand)
  • Low/consistent DPC Latency (able to run heavy loads at smallest ASIO buffer size - completely glitch-free)
  • Machine needs to be extremely quiet
 
The new iMac Pro has some significant limitations:
Want to swap the boot-drive?  It's a trip to the Apple store. Do it yourself... and you void the warranty.
You have to peel off the screen to replace the boot drive.  Total PITA - I've done it.
Want to add a second internal data drive?  The only option is external USB or Thunderbolt.
Last time I checked, a 1TB conventional Thunderbolt HD was $200.
I have a machine full of drives (6 SATA SSDs, 2 M.2 Ultra SSDs, and two conventional HDs).  To make these all external/Thunderbolt would be well over $2k.
Want to add RAM?  You have to use "Apple" RAM.  In the past, you could use 3rd-party RAM (much less expensive).
If you're a user who pushes the CPU hard (video rendering), the iMac (normally quiet) will get quite loud.
The case is sleek and looks great, but there's no space for over-spec'd cooling.
Inside, it's almost as tight as a laptop.
 
The latest gen MacBook Pros are sleek machines that perform well for their given specs.
We have one here... maxed out.  It can trigger moderate sample-loads cleanly down to a 32-sample ASIO buffer size.
Want to add RAM to a current generation MacBook Pro?
You're SOL.  There's no adding RAM.
As with the iMac Pro, there's no space for a second (internal) data drive.
If you're more of a power-user, the 7700HQ CPU isn't going to run the loads of a fast well-configured tower.
ie: The Intel i7-8086k was recently released ($400 CPU) with six cores that can all be locked at 5GHz.
You simply can't put that kind of clock-speed in super tight spaces.
 
As for Windows 10... it's a fine DAW platform.
Get the Pro version... which has the Group Policy Editor (which can be used to easily disable many unwanted components such as Cortana, OneDrive, etc).
Two Registry Tweaks can be added (only work in the Pro version) that completely shut down all automatic updates.
Once you've done these things, Win10 is a fantastic DAW platform.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 19:27:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bdickens 2018/08/01 10:33:28
I guess I'm mellowing with time. If the computer allows me to record music and I like the GUI of the daw I have no real preference. For those programs that are dual platform most functions are similar. If you can use one it doesn't take much to use the other. 
I admit I like core audio as compared to windows drivers. People like things that "just work" with little hassle. 
 
I go to other forums where there are all kinds of daw users. They all have problems.Mac or PC it doesn't seem to  matter. A carefully planned system will help to eliminate issues in either platform.
 
A few Mac users are envious that as a general rule hardware in PC can be spec'd better for less money. Apparently the last release of Cubase has more issues to run on Mac than on PC. I've heard people have problems with Logic.
There is no magic choice either way.
 
Both are major corporations. One gives a bit more freedom of choice than the other. Both are out to make money. I'm less enthusiastic of Apple as compared to Windows when it comes to longevity of the product before it becomes obsolete. The planned obsolescence time table for Apple seems shorter and more expensive than PC.
 
If you can make good music on a PC why change?
If you can make good music on a Mac why change?
 
Labeling just takes us away from the art.
 
PC takes a little more forethought to put together. Not enough to matter IMHO. I see no reason to get defensive either way. Obviously I chose PC or I would probably be on the Logic forum right now. I never looked back. I've been doing just fine. 

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/07/31 19:31:50 (permalink)
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As for Windows 10... it's a fine DAW platform.
Get the Pro version... which has the Group Policy Editor (which can be used to easily disable many unwanted components such as Cortana, OneDrive, etc).
Two Registry Tweaks can be added (only work in the Pro version) that completely shut down all automatic updates.
Once you've done these things, Win10 is a fantastic DAW platform.

Really good to know. I've always just looked at all the stuff in Pro that I DIDN'T want.
 
Do you have a link to info re the two registry tweaks? I want to grab it now before I forget. TIA!

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/08/01 00:44:43 (permalink)
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So, you don’t want people to say their opinion?

I never said anything remotely close to that.
ØSkald
Does their opinion hurt your opinion in some way?

I never said anything remotely close to that either
 
ØSkald
And what is the criteria to be able to tell one’s opinion?

I do not get to make that decision for people - I can only make the decision concerning my interest in others opinion.
 
ØSkald
Do you have to be healthy in any way?

This does not seem to make any sense in the context.
 
ØSkald
Like if you have a disability your disqualified to tell yours because you can’t spell or something?

See above. I can only decide for myself, not others. I have my own set of criteria which I have no interest in listing here since you seem to be taking this discussion in a direction where nuance in opinions is of no interest.
 
ØSkald
And who are you to tell who’s the one with the biggest brain?

Who are you to question my ability to decide for myself what is an opinion worth listening to?
 
ØSkald
Does a chess match do the trick?

Ah, there it is - sarcasm...
 
ØSkald
And lastly.
Why love a big company that don’t love you back?
It’s the same with Apple, Microsoft, Google and the rest.


I never said I loved Apple. I am not expecting Apple or any such company to love me.
 
This is not emotional to me.
 
If it were I'd probably be on a Mac software forum badmouthing Microsoft and posting videos that show how much they suck and how they are bound to fail. (see, I can do sarcasm too. ;) )





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Re: Is apple done? 2018/08/01 10:05:31 (permalink)
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If it were I'd probably be on a Mac software forum badmouthing Microsoft and posting videos that show how much they suck and how they are bound to fail. (see, I can do sarcasm too. ;) )


Of course, anyone can choose to not listen to a video, paper or message if they want. But what i react to, is when people border into wanting to stop others when they don’t like their message.
 
Sometimes we have to swallow our pride and listen to someone saying such things. And maybe we just learn something new in that moment. Not necessary of their message, but also of that person or situation.
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Re: Is apple done? 2018/08/01 18:56:54 (permalink)
kennywtelejazz
 
 What difference does it make ?
 
Both Apple and Microsoft are sucka$$  companies that only care about themselves and their bottom line .
 
Giving me what I really want or need in a quality computer (that I can afford ) does not seem high on either companies agenda
 
Kenny
 
 


Microsoft gave Millions of people free upgrade access to what is considered one of the best operating computer systems in the world.  They enable this OS to run of a plethora of hardware options ranging from dirt cheap to fairly expensive.
 
Can't say the same for Apple.  While you might not care for either, the MS system is affordable to anyone that has a basic job in america.  
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Re: Is apple done? 2018/08/01 21:47:46 (permalink)
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kennywtelejazz
 
 What difference does it make ?
 
Both Apple and Microsoft are sucka$$  companies that only care about themselves and their bottom line .
 
Giving me what I really want or need in a quality computer (that I can afford ) does not seem high on either companies agenda
 
Kenny
 
 


Microsoft gave Millions of people free upgrade access to what is considered one of the best operating computer systems in the world.  They enable this OS to run of a plethora of hardware options ranging from dirt cheap to fairly expensive.
 
Can't say the same for Apple.  While you might not care for either, the MS system is affordable to anyone that has a basic job in america.  


Good points.
 
But i have to say that i feel really betrayed by MS because of them stopping supporting great things while they are used by lots of people, and after a while kill it off. Like the Windows Phone, Groove Music, using other country specific ending on mail adresses like outlook.no and the live.com/live.no and so on.
 
I feel betrayed in many ways. Its like people like me that has been supporters of MS for longer than Vista but they dont care. They kill off the features we love and use daily without even asking and saying sorry. I was a fanboy, but woke up.

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/08/02 09:23:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ØSkald 2018/08/02 17:30:22
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kennywtelejazz
 
 What difference does it make ?
 
Both Apple and Microsoft are sucka$$  companies that only care about themselves and their bottom line .
 
Giving me what I really want or need in a quality computer (that I can afford ) does not seem high on either companies agenda
 
Kenny
 
 


Microsoft gave Millions of people free upgrade access to what is considered one of the best operating computer systems in the world. 
 

 
"Gave "
 
I don't know what you do for a living , but I think you have a real talent w words .
Your words have made Microsoft come off as some sort of  an Innovative  Pillar of Altruism In The World Wide Community of Software and Computer Hardware.
 
YEAH RIGHT
 
OK , Lets talk about free as opposed to free access .
 
Cakewalk by BandLab is free . It does not matter that I have held various SONAR licenses for decades / years ...
I set up a Band Lab acct and have pretty much what I had paid for in Splat Lifetime minus the 3 rd party add-ons  No strings attached
 
Tracktion 5 and Tracktion 6 are both 2 highly capable modern DAW's , These are also free as in no strings attached
 
Can you honestly tell me that Microsoft has given Win 10 out free as in my two previous examples ?
Free access seems to come w a high price tag . MS strong armed people just like what The Old School Mafia way of strong arming people for protection money was all about back in the day . 
Update to Win 10 .....or suffer the consequences of MS Scare ware and Nag ware .
MS did this type of BS to thousands of Win users trying to force them to update ..
This I know since I was one of them 
 
The whole time I had a Win 8 64 OS on my PC  my experiences w MS went like this .
 
It started harmless enough , then my Win 8 64 PC started getting  held hostage by MS .  The whole time while I ran Win 8 after MS released Win 10 ..
MS tried to bait and switch me over to Win 10 ...it was innocent at first  , then MS became super aggressive .

With out my consent MS tried to put Win 10 on it multiple times by downloading Win 10 ...

No matter what I did I could not get a break because MS would not respect my system  preferences
 
Currently , I have 3 PC's with Win 10 64 H.E.  One would think that MS would just leave me alone by this point .
 
I certainly do no appreciate having any tool I laid out my hard earned coin to purchase try to force feed me it's little song and dance agenda all in the name of a marginal at best increase in it's functionality .
I am amazed at the whole rational MS uses ..MS seems to think that it is OK to ignore what I have set up as my system wide preferences and permissions . Not only that , it gets real old having an MS  update screw up my ability to use my DAW's ...
Also MS seems to like to change my system permissions to Yes when I had them set to NO ...
Having to go back and having to constantly play The Computer Detective is not something I enjoy
MS NO means NO.... WTF ......what don't you understand the N or the O ?
 
For my pain and suffering I think  MS should send me a drop dead gorgeous woman this way so I can have a reward in my personal life and in the sheets late at night for having to put up with all the nagging MS seems to want to bring to my door step ...
The MS way ,  is absolutely the best example of how to nag someone to death  when it comes to being a virtual mother in law 
Heck I figure if your gonna hound me to death M S , send me The Patootie. I can certainly use the outlet and the added benefit of stress release from the whole “Du farkirtst mir di yorn!”  you have put me through 
 
Now I don't know about you , maybe your OK with this type of thing ..forced updates
Who Knows maybe you have Win 10 pro where you can tell the OS to go take a Chomp until you decide to up date ...
 
 I do not have this problem on my Two Mac.s ...I happen to Love em as long as I don't ask them to do too much at once ...
 
Since they are both older Mac's I have different problems...
They both run music apps , DAW's and other media creation tools and apps perfectly ...I'm grateful for that ,...
They are just running older versions of OSX . When I use them for the internet they seem to act like they are chugging up a hill pulling a Slipstream Trailer when ever I have a bunch of other applications open in the background
By other apps I'm talking about running my DAW w lots of tracks and plugs while using the internet ...
 
My Win 10 machines are beefier so if I got one foot on the net and the other in my DAW I can notice a difference ...
Win 10 is snappier , but hey when I'm doing music that's what I should be doing Music ...not dicking around here
 
all the best ,
 
 
Kenny
 
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Re: Is apple done? 2018/08/02 13:14:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2018/08/02 13:31:40
Brian Walton
Microsoft gave Millions of people free upgrade access to what is considered one of the best operating computer systems in the world.  They enable this OS to run of a plethora of hardware options ranging from dirt cheap to fairly expensive.
 



Microsoft pushed their Win 10 software on millions of users so that MS could have access to user data in much the same way as Google and Facebook. Windows 10 also allows them to run ads for additional revenue. With Win 10 you and your data are the product. That is why Windows 10 is so intrusive. Any computer running Windows 10 and connected to the internet no longer belongs to its user but instead belongs to Microsoft. They do with it what they want, when and how they want, and they don't care if you like it or not.
 
The only time I use Windows is for CbB, and that is on an isolated machine running Windows 8. It is not connected to the Internet.
 
I run Linux Mint on my main computer, Linux Lite on my older laptop and netbook. I can do anything on it that I could do in Windows. I control what updates are installed, and when they are installed. The computer still belongs to me.
 
At some point I am hopeful a decent DAW will appear on Linux. For me it is the only thing missing. Until then I'll continue to use Win 8 on a disconnected machine.

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/08/02 17:36:13 (permalink)
For Windows 10 and newer Mac os, we are the product.
Just think about how much info they collect through Insiders.
Yeah you get a preview of new versions, but lay everything bare for them to see.
 
I wish there were a way of installing CbB on Linux with all plugins and the same latency as in Windows.
I feel I am too deep into Microsoft to.
Having all my backups on OneDrive and use OneNote for everything writing.
Cutting the cord would be painful.

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Re: Is apple done? 2018/08/03 12:42:55 (permalink)
Poof
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Oh Yeah , Life is Good .
The internet is nothing more than a glorified real time cartoon we all star in.
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The Love of my Life is an American Bulldog Named Duke . I'm currently running Cakewalk By BandLab as my DAW .
 
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https://www.youtube.com/user/Kennywtelejazz/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=1
 
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Re: Is apple done? 2018/08/03 17:33:16 (permalink)
kennywtelejazz
Anyway , I have no idea how welcome this post is or how long it is gonna last  ..who know I might decide to let it go poof 
in the mean time I gotten to sit here and put my thoughts out there  

Don't delete this. It was a great read.
I think I understand you.

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