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Re: Is it just me that thinks the media browser is virtually useless 2014/05/25 10:09:43 (permalink)
In a hunt for suitable assistance in this problem I've uncovered the basic media library can be useful.
 
Winamp media player (and I suspect most others) has a library that will search for audio files. It certainly finds wav and midi. These can be organised as play-lists or their 'meta data' fields such as 'category' can be co-opted. It plays wav, flac and mid files.
 
For example you can create a play list of midi patterns and give the list a name such as fast drum or simple drum. You can then use the category field to put in a sequence of comma separated words that help sort the set of samples in the play list. By then clicking on the 'category' column, the play list samples get organised according to word sequences you've used.
 
You then just double click the items to listen. Again not  ideal because you really need it played in the context of your track. But better than nothing and is free.
 
If I find one that deals with rx2 and others, I'll update.
post edited by Steve Jag - 2014/05/25 16:04:17
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Re: Is it just me that thinks the media browser is virtually useless 2014/05/25 11:35:51 (permalink)
The media browser is working pretty great for me, but I think my needs are simpler than the typical Sonar user.  It's incredibly rare for me to add loops and bits and dabs of audio clips to a project, I'm mostly working in the old school way of just playing my MIDI instruments and writing music.  

But recently I had need of adding a lot of sound effects throughout a soundtrack-like project.  Inside the master folder for the project, I had a SFX folder where the accumulation of potential SFX were parked.  As I worked in Sonar, whenever I needed to audition (gun shot 1, 2 or 3?) and then add a choice to the SFX track, the media browser could easily open to my SFX folder because it was one of my saved locations.  And of course if it was the most recent folder I'd visited, it would already be open.

The only thing is - Even though I saved that SFX folder location so it showed up in the media browser's menu, now that I've moved on to other projects, when I open the media browser's menu - that added item isn't listed anymore.  I opened up one of these projects with SFX, and that item doesn't show up there either.  Sonar dumped my custom folder location - ?

The other thing I'm not understanding on this thread, and I think I must be misunderstanding something, is that people seem to be saying sub-folders can't be opened.  The browser works just like opening things in Windows, accessing anything you want - Like in the case of my SFX folder, that was a sub-folder of the project, and inside that SFX folder, I had several sub-folders of SFX types, and I could access all of them.  - Like I said, I must have misunderstood what I was seeing on this thread - I thought people were saying that you couldn't open a sub-folder.

Browsing through my entire computer works perfectly for me, just the same as browsing for things outside of Sonar.

Most people's needs for the media browser are probably more complex than mine, but for the use I've had for it, it's worked perfectly - (except for that odd thing of the saved location not staying in Sonar.)

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Re: Is it just me that thinks the media browser is virtually useless 2014/05/25 11:55:35 (permalink)
It is such a drag that the wave file format doesn't have built-in metadata functionality, that's one of the reasons all this sample cataloging is such a bear.
 
Another thing I struggle with in the media browser is auto-play...and lag. When I'm toggling through short samples like drum sounds...which lets face it is probably the type you have to audition more varieties than any other, the lag before playing is a little too long...and then I dont' seem to see any option for bypassing or turning off auto-play with a keystroke. Toggling through samples is such a keyboard-intensive thing and the only way I know to turn auto-play on/off is to use the mouse, which ends up being a huge juggling thing for me. I also wish adding a sample to a project was another keyboard stroke an not a double-click.
 

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Re: Is it just me that thinks the media browser is virtually useless 2014/05/25 12:22:47 (permalink)
1st world problem.  I, too, have too many samples, loops, etc.  If you figure out a system, searching (and esp. searching w/ computer help) is easy.  But most of my "samples" have been accumulated over many years and kinda haphazardly added.  I could spend the next few months figuring out a system and slotting all my samples as such, but that would be a lot of work better put to, you know, actually making some music. 
 
Instead, I struggle on w/ an unsystematic system.  The big libraries - SONY, Cakewalk, come under their heading.  The stuff I've picked up goes into smaller, separate libraries which I try to keep their name so I'll know where I got them from.  Unfortunately, - and many of them have nothing to recommend them for, but one never knows.
 
However, I seldom need to search through 10,000 kick hits - or even a 1000.  I have a good idea about which of my sub-libraries/folders has good kicks, snares, etc.  since I've used them before.  Sometimes too many choices are as bad as not enough, at least in terms of getting something accomplished.
 
I've also learned not to click on a name in the browser - both SONAR and Windows, as much as one naturally does that (esp. w/ the touch template getting more and more traction).  And I still do it, tho not nearly as much and never twice in a session.
 
As far as searchable browsers - sometimes I find them more frustrating than trees.  Take Alchemy, which has all kinds of headings to look in libraries.  Guess what, I find that less than useless.  I learned to look by library as I added them.  I know that biolabs will have a kind of sound(s), etc.  All the rest of the sorting just is a waste, tho I admit I'm not typical in that sense.  And I don't go to alchemy to find a snare hit.
 
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Re: Is it just me that thinks the media browser is virtually useless 2014/05/25 12:38:16 (permalink)
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Well, I have 3TB of samples so we're in the same general ballpark.


As Everett Dirksen might have once said, were he around to say it ... "A Terabyte and a Terabyte there ... pretty soon it adds up to real memory!"
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