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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/23 21:23:08
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robert_e_bone If you install Win 8 to a different partition, it will be a clean install to that partition, and you would have to install each and every application you wanted to run in Windows 8. If you can run a backup of your system to an external drive (you should already have something in place for running and storing backups, right???), once you have a full image, run the Win 8 install as an update, choosing the keep all settings and applications option. Bob Bone I know this, that is why I wanted a migration tool. One that would move Windows 7 to Windows 8. I have Windows features spread over 6 different drives: Pagefiles, Search, Rip Folder, Documents folder, Desktop, etc. etc. If I update (upgrade-in-place) to Windows 8, I may need to check all these things carefully. Some Windows Tools (such as Network Monitor 3 and Visual Studio 2008) don't even navigate to the User directory properly (they assume C:\User\<name>). But if I install clean to a new partition I can keep it's defaults and not touch Win7. Then the migrate would move the Win 7 changes to Win 8. I have full backups of all partitions, but a restore of everything would take about a day - it takes that long to make images of all the 12 Terabytes of crap I've accumulated over the decades. And another day to make the last-minute image before the upgrade. But anyway, even if there were a migration tool, who knows what bugs that may introduce - it may be worse than an upgrade-in-place.
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/23 23:23:02
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Well I just bit the bullet and upgraded my Win7 DAW at home to Win 8 in place. I've installed Win8 a few times on work machines but those have always been clean installs before so this is my first time doing an upgrade. The process went flawlessly and all my apps and data migrated fine. This is a 3 year old machine with a bunch of audio apps installed. X2A was intalled prior to the upgrade and it all works as before. All I did prior to the upgrade is uninstall MS security essentials and ran CCleaner to remove all cached files etc to avoid unnecessary junk being carried over to Win 8. No backups :) I started the install, went to have dinner and when I came back about 45 mins later it was about 90% through. The data migration took another 15 mins or so and it was done. So far everything I have tested is ok. Very impressive how easy and painless it was.
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/24 02:16:04
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What version of WIn 7 did you migrate from?
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/24 08:12:02
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Win7 professional to Win8 pro.
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/24 08:23:50
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That's one brave move - Mr 'No backups Noel'. I guess you didn't get a lump of coal this year after all :) There were a couple of other folks who also did the upgrade in place, and none have reported any issues with doing so, and I have not seen any griping in the Microsoft community about having problems with it either. Bob Bone
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/24 09:48:09
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Ok I have a question, I have w7 on a 60gig ssd , I would like to buy a larger HD something like 120 gig , can I clone my HD install a new larger hd and mirror my 60 gig to the new hd, then do the w8 update, whAt I'm trying to avoid is reinstalling all my programs again, serial numbers are everywhere , I have no idea what's what. Installers are , I have no idea:( . I do like to venture off into touch . But I only have about 6 gigs left on my C: drive.. What program should I use to mirror , I know windows has that option? Also if I get an ilok or some cloud storage would that help me with my serial numbers? Any guidance would be appreciated . Thanks again and happy holidays !!
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/24 10:46:27
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You can clone your hard drive to a larger hard drive and then boot from it with no issues regarding serial numbers and such. If you do that and then do an upgrade in place to Windows 8, it will carry over all of your settings and installed software without you having to install software again. There are a number of partition manager programs out there that can do this for you. Maybe someone from the forum here will chime in with some suggestions, or you can go to downloads.com and search their site for 'partition manager' and review the results - check promising ones out elsewhere for feedback on user's experiences with them, and such. Bob Bone
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/24 15:54:00
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Thanks again for that update Noel. I'm now thinking a bit differently about Win 8. If it's good enough for the Guv......
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/24 16:13:12
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What does NOT seem possible however is to upgrade a 32 bit Win7 hp version to a 64 bit win 8 pro version even if the computer is capable of running 64 bit. Fred
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/24 16:46:09
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Wow - hadn't thought of that one, Fred. The Microsoft page didn't seem to indicate that the upgrade in place needed the same bit-level install. (I am not at all doubting your comments - just surprised that MS didn't mention that - or maybe they did and I missed it). Bob Bone
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/24 17:12:42
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I can understand why they didn't support upgrading from 32 to 64. Even in Win7 if you want to change from 32 to 64 you have to do a custom clean install and manually move your data and reinstall. The permutations of stuff they would have to support goes up quite a bit. For example the 32 bit registry is different from the 64 bit registry so migrating from 32 bit to 64 bit would be much more complicated. I think what the current upgrade install does is move all your existing data to a safe location - I read that it uses hard links to modify the location rather than copying files Then it install the new version of windows, and finally moves the user data back to the final location. This would be a lot harder to do when going from 32 to 64 or vice versa. If you want to change bitness you will have to do a custom install of Win8. Not sure if the image you get when you upgrade contains both 32 and 64 bit versions though, so before buying you may want to call Microsoft and inquire if this is possible at all. Edit: Apparently not possible. See this link If you want the upgrade price you will have to update Win7 to 64 bit first and then do the Win8 upgrade.
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/24 19:17:10
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Best is to add new disk to system for w 8. Why? Cuz deleting the old partition, someday, can be more than annoying. (unless you use a good imager) 2nd best: new partition Before you do anything: update windows, disk clean, create disk image. And:::: w 8 does NOT contain a disk imager, only file backup. (I have been using macrium for years.) I currently have a 4 boot system for the audio computer. For testing and learning: w7 32 and 64, w8 32 and 64. During the past 2 months I have performed in-place and new installs, all have worked fine. At this moment I am upgrading 2 client computers: one a w7 in-place, and the 2nd an XP new install. The install process identifies programs that will not work and demands uninstallation. Download the w 8 upgrade advisor to get a list of potential issues. Get the new versions to be ready. But, I recommend a new installation.
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/24 20:09:40
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install win 8 clean - it just works better that way install win 8 on an SSD - thank me later :) the current price for early adopters is a bargain, grab it whilst you can. You also get a free Windows Media Centre included in the price - you need this as it installs some codecs. Don't bother waiting for SP1 - win8 is far more stable than win 7 ever was don't carry your Win7 apps/programs over - if you've bought an SSD you can install programs in seconds not minutes - it's worth the time to guarantee a stable system Check your sound/audio card's compatibility, particularly if you are using a Creative card - their support is woeful don't expect your disk utility software to work properly or anything like magic drive which mounts iso files - a lot of that stuff is now built into win8 DO NOT use Norton Ghost to back up your drives in Win8 - it will install but not let you register (gain access to it's features) and if you attempt to uninstall it will corrupt your system and possible delete NTDLR leaving you to reinstall
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/25 20:56:46
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Well, I am a masochist. I couldn't sleep at night, I just have to keep up with the field (I wrote my first program in 1968). So I went to Best Buy and asked if they would match Amazon's price and they did ($49.99 for the Win 8 Pro DVD). The DVD includes both 64 and 32-bit versions. So the day before Christmas I did my backup and on Christmas morning I started the install at about 7:30 AM. It was not very easy. I had to uninstall Acronis True Image 2011. When I did that and restarted I got a blue screen, so I had to restore the backup. I downloaded the Acronis Cleanup Utility and spent the morning hunting through the registry for Acronis hooks. It puts file system filters in devices that don't get uninstalled (and they are set to run on BOOT, so you have to remove everything before you delete the files. The cleanup utility made Acronis Disk Director useless, so I uninstalled that as well. For a weird reason which I discovered later Win 8 required an uninstall of Perfect Disk 12.5 which is supposed to be Win 8 compatible. This lead me down a nasty path of uninstalls, reboots, and tracking down problems. Eventually I got to the point where Windows 8 install didn't complain any more so I made a special backup of the system drive in case I needed to revert back to that point. Then I started the real installation. So I spent the Christmas morning from 7:30AM until 1:00PM getting things prepared. When I started the installation it was 12:50 AM and it completed at 1:45 PM - taking about an hour. I started personalization and set up, there were a few gotchas. I had to re-install LoopBE30 - the MIDI port program that lets applications pipe midi messages to each other. My Task Scheduler jobs were not transported, so there were several things that don't get loaded after I log in - I will get to them later (things like KeePass 2, for example). I had to install the newest Focusrite MixControl 3.1. I had problems with it unless I set Firewire delay to Medium (under Short it crackles). Latency is at 256 samples for 48kHz. I had to setup the sound stuff, then ran Windows update and got a bunch of updates. Googleupdate decided it was a good time to automatically update Chrome while this was going on, so that also led to some weirdness. I restarted a few times and finally got Sonar X2 and Komplete software synths running. Latency (dpclat and LatencyMon) looks pretty bad compared to Win7, but I'm sure I can fix that part with a little experience. The PerfectDisk fiasco got solved last and with a bit of difficulty. It turned out to be a weird issue: When you install Perfect Disk, it unpacks itself in a directory in Program Files unless you specify otherwise. I had originally installed Perfect Disk 12 for Win 7 and later got an update patch to 12.5. When Win8 looked for incompatabilities, it looks throughout the entire Program Files folders, not just installations, so it was complaining about this older install file left around. That version is incompatible and Win 8 won't let it install, so I could not apply the patch to 12.5. I had to download a trial copy of Perfect Disk and enter my license. So it is now about 12 hours later and it's about time I did my first backup of Windows 8. I have decided not to install any Acronis products - they are far too invasive despite their utility. I have made Bootable DVDs and I can run the Linux standalone versions of Acronis True Image 2013 and Disk Director 11 from that. That has several advantages - but it is a bit less convenient. Acronis left the Windows Backup setting in a weird state so I have to reset that - that will be another day. I imagine I will be tweaking this for some time... Lucky for me I did a backup (or two) first. And now for another backup.... Merry Christmas!!
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/25 21:05:04
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Dpclat is not accurate under Windows 8. Win 8 has low system latency.
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Re:Is it possible to migrate Win 7 to Win 8?
2012/12/26 12:14:56
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go with the CLONE FIRST idea. this is really the best way to do it IMHO. I too bought into the MS "upgrade without issues" to win8--- against my better judgement--- and jumped at it. the startling thing was that for the most part it worked! everything "just worked" like you would think, with two major speedbumps: -maschine hardware would not install no way no how -roland fantom xr drivers would not install either. so I did a clean format, and this helped maschine usb drivers to load automatically. still no fantom drivers, so I googled it, and found a hack for it via these forums and its worked flawlessly. im not 100% certain (no scientific tests yet) but everything runs smoother and faster.
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