Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum?

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Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum?

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I was able to connect RCA to XLR cables to my Roland Quad Capture from my Tascam MKIII 424 and mix down an analog 4 track demo that I had done several years ago.  The recording on the cassette still sounded good and had that warm sound.  I wanted to try to transfer each individual track into Sonar Platinum.  It wasn't synching properly and I am wondering if anyone has done this successfully?  I wanted to get each track onto its own track in Sonar.  What I want to accomplish is then use the other available tracks in Sonar to add some more guitar, additional backup vocals, keyboard, etc.  Has anyone else been able to achieve something like this?
 
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    brundlefly
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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/19 16:10:50 (permalink)
    If you can connect the four outputs of the Tascam to 4 inputs of the interface, and record each to it's own track simultaneously, there would be virtually no way the tracks would get out of sync. You might subsequently need to sync SONAR's timeline to those tracks if you intend to add MIDI parts, but that will need to be done after the fact.

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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/19 16:15:22 (permalink)
    I recently replaced all rubber wheels and bands in my Tascam 244!
     
    Why not just connect all four tracks straight into the QuadCapture, RCA to Phono Jack? (adapters are available).
     
    ...but if that's not possible, just record each tape track one after the other to a separate Sonar track, then zoom in and find something in each audio track you can manually line up (if there's some bleed, the bass drum should be visible).
     
    It's just 4 tracks, I wouldn't spend too much time insisting on the technically correct solution.
     
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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/19 16:35:07 (permalink)
    We digitaze tapes ... for customers.
    The ONLY way is to record ALL tracks at the same time. This is not possible with the Quad-Capture with only 2 analog inputs. You need an interface like the octa capture. Otherwise it is out of synch or you get phasing effects.

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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/19 17:19:46 (permalink)
    THambrecht
    This is not possible with the Quad-Capture with only 2 analog inputs.



    Bummer... I did not realize 'Quad' Capture doesn't have 4 analog inputs.
     
    One way around this would be to record one of the tracks along with each of the other three tracks in turn, and use that track's waveform as a reference to align all the recordings.

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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/19 17:19:56 (permalink)
    It's called Quad Capture and it only has 2 inputs?!?
     
    ...Oh. I have the OctaCapture and assumed ... well.
     
    The timing isn't sample-accurate. It won't prevent phasing effects.
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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/19 17:25:04 (permalink)
    Just for reference, I had the Tascam 688. I transferred all my old studio tapes using, at that time, a Tascam 1800 interface.
     
    I think you may just have to get an interface with enough inputs.
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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/19 18:56:02 (permalink)
    I do digital transfer work myself and all above is correct. the drift in the capstan motors are so trivial, you will never get them to synch up properly unless you transfer all 4 tracks on 1 pass.
    One of the main reasons my interface has 18 inputs (using in conjunction with a Focusrite Octopre)
     
    My advise is to borrow a 4 input unit, hire someone, or record 2 of the 4 tracks and build the song around those 2 tracks.
    Weather that be Guitar and vocals. then create drums and bass in sonar or use Drums and vocals and over dub guitars and bass.
    those are the 2 options I would go with.

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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/19 21:53:02 (permalink)
    Thank you all for your suggestions, this really helps a lot!!!  I will give it a try!
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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/19 21:59:02 (permalink)
    "Quad" Capture means 2 analog and 2 digital IN.
    We have 4 Quad-Captures to digitaze tapes. And I know that there are only 2 analog inputs (or one stereo-input). Therefor its strange that our Octa-Captures have 8 analog inputs.
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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/19 22:22:43 (permalink)
    My OctaCapture has 8 analog and 2 digital ins.
    Following Roland Marketing department's logic, it should have been called DecaCapture.
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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/20 08:00:35 (permalink)
    Not knowing exactly what's on the individual tracks:
    Could it be enough to record the tape as two track stems (=two tracks per one SONAR track)? Would that give you enough flexibility to go on with it?
    Or as one two track stem plus one single track, and then one track as a separate recording. If that one separate track would be, say, drums, you could sync it manually to the others.
     

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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/20 08:33:14 (permalink)
    I used a Korg D888 direct from my T-238 and recorded all tracks at once. This is the only way it should be done with analog.
     
    If you record each track separately, each time you rewind to play the next track the tape will stretch just enough to go out of sync.
     
    Yes you can slip-stretch afterward if you want to spend the time post editing your work but that can get tedious and sound quality will be affected.
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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/20 09:46:46 (permalink)
    I haven't used it and it seems a bit over the top but Celemony, the company that also makes Melodyne, has "Capstan", software specifically designed to fix tape irregularities. It's crazy expensive but they also rent it out per day. Depending on how vital this project is to you it's maybe worth a look. I think it's the only thing on the market that can do what you're asking.
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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/20 13:11:54 (permalink)
    Sanderxpander
    I haven't used it and it seems a bit over the top but Celemony, the company that also makes Melodyne, has "Capstan", software specifically designed to fix tape irregularities. It's crazy expensive but they also rent it out per day. Depending on how vital this project is to you it's maybe worth a look. I think it's the only thing on the market that can do what you're asking.


    That's actually a very good idea. I've never used Capstan before but the reviews have been great.
    There is a demo but im not sure of the saving / usage capability's of the demo. Its definitely worth a shot though.
    http://www.celemony.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/LicenseApp.woa/wa/demoRegistration?item=capstan_demo_win&language=en
     
     
     

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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/22 10:11:38 (permalink)
    If you put a consistent slate mark at the front of each of your four tracks on your analog machine that is to say arm all four channels on the analog machine and click a pair of drumsticks loudly so that that click gets recorded at the front of all four tracks

    Of course this is just one recording and recording all four tracks at the same time with just one click or two if you have enough space or 3 if you have enough space whatever

    You can then transfer one track at a time or two at a time and then in sonar line up your slate marks

    Just make sure that you
    are recording each track to an individual track in sonar

    I've done it it works
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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/22 15:48:39 (permalink)
    I have an OctaCapture and have used it extensively for transferring my analog 8 tk tapes from my Tascam 58 to Sonar.  It has always worked without hiccups (yea) and, for other projects, have it digitally hooked into my VS 100.
     
     

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    Re: Is it possible to synch individual tracks from an analog multitrack to Sonar Platinum? 2017/03/22 19:29:35 (permalink)
    OP has a Quad Capture. And though I see it recommended by someone to do 1 or 2 passes at a time and try to synch it up, It will never happen. these aren't digital recordings were there is no drift. Analog is unforgiving as no capstan motor is right on the dime every pass through.
     
    With each pass there are fluctuations (to make things worse..in different spots) thus making a synch line up merely impossible.
    So far the best advise I've seen is using a 4 input digital device or Sanders idea about Capstan (which I haven't explored but sounds promising).

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