S Effren
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Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
Anyone doing this? I'm running the latest version of Sonar and Parallels desktop on my MacBook Pro. I use Sonar only for editing on the laptop, but never recording. Is this setup stable enough with low enough latency to be used as a primary recording solution?
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 09:09:32
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S Effren
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 09:48:38
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I don't have the means now. I have an RME PCIe AES card on my desktop, but no interface for my laptop. Hence the premise for the question.
Should I bother getting an interface? If Sonar runs like crap through Parallels, then I'll look at an alternative solution.
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jatoth
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 10:17:54
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I don't think you will get the throughput for streaming audio at low enough latency.
Parallels has to virtualize your hardware drivers which will add an abstraction layer for the stream to have to pass through.
Then again, I may be wrong. I have not tried it.
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 10:48:54
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If your going to do any recording, tracking or overdubs, then I'd pick up an interface.
I've never managed to get much done on my laptop with one. Playback is about all that works. And even then your switching driver modes and Sonar is looking for stuff that ain't there so it's cludgy. I just take my Scarlett with me and all is good. It's pretty small. The Scarletts are super light and portable up to I guess the 6i6.
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 10:56:32
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Parallels is apparently a virtualization environment with the potential problems of system overhead jatoth mentions. If your machine will run Bootcamp, then that is a different story. Bootcamp is closer to booting into Windows directly, rather than running it in a virtual machine. Some people have reported running Sonar that way.
Do a regular Google search (not a forum search) using:
Sonar bootcamp site:forum.cakewalk.com
Sonar parallelas site:forum.cakewalk.com
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Doktor Avalanche 
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 11:03:09
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Yeah I've been looking at this again, windows 10 and all that. I'm looking at vmware workstation, not sure it will work but it is expensive.
In order for it to be feasible the host OS should have the smallest footprint...
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 11:08:09
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Anyway is there anybody running a virtualized DAW environment? I haven't heard of a single person so far... Come forth if you are!! Does ASIO work?
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/07/17 11:16:02
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S Effren
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 11:58:01
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I can't imagine how either of these routes would have amazing performance, but it would be cool to use my Mac for recording, especially with something portable like the Antelope Audio Zen or UA Apollo.
So Bootcamp will offer lower latency than the Parallels virtual environment. Ok...I'll get to checking that out.
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tlw
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 12:04:45
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Not tried it as I don't have a spare copy of Windows about, but I think bootcamp should work.
Parallels lets you run Windows inside OS X.
Bootcamp simply provides the necessary drivers and dual boot interface so you can run Windows on Apple hardware and choose between OS X and Windows when you boot the computer. It's no different really to dual booting XP and Win8 using the Wondows boot manager.
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 14:04:20
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I have run Sonar on a bootcamped macbook pro for years and it works perfectly. As it should, given that a bootcamped mac is essentially an expensive, though rather stylish pc! Dare I say it is the only way I like to use a mac  Parralels, on the other hand, was for the most part a complete failure for me. You are sharing all system resources between 2 OS's and running bridging drivers that just aren't up to the task of audio production in my experience. Others have claimed in previous theads to gave had limited success with parallels. For stability though, boot camp is definitely the way to go.
post edited by tenfoot - 2015/07/18 08:14:11
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michael diemer
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 19:11:47
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Interesting discussion. I just installed Zorin 9 on my computer (not my music rig). Does anyone know of any success running Sonar in Linux? I love Zorin, and I love Sonar. It would be a marriage made in heaven for me.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 19:38:40
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I tried with wine and failed.. From memory issues with MFC dll's. Apparently some have managed either X2 or X3 (one or the other can't remember ). Maybe would have been better with 32 bit.
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Keni
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/17 20:40:37
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I'm running Sonar on a MacPro via Bootcamp... Excellent performance... If I'm right, when you do this, you are not running a virtual environment, only a virtual system bios which is stored on the motherboard for windows, but stored on the hard drive for a mac... So bootcamp virtualizes the are where this data is stored and feeds it to a full install of Windows... The only thing I've found a bit tedious but far from earth shattering is that i can't open my optical drives from the keyboard as Macs do... And they hide the button on drive front so i must open the drive from the inspector menu in windows explorer... Not much pain... Its supposed to have been remapped as i set it to do so but it's never worked... Other than that i often forget I'm on a Mac as I only use it for Windows/Sonar anyway! ;-) I'm guessing that if you can do editing with a bunch of plugins etc., you can probably do the recording just make sure to use a separate hard drive for the audio... As far as Sonar knows, it has very little system needs to simply stream audiio... I've even managed to do some festival style events running 16tracks to an external USB2 hard drive! Keni [edit] BTW... I forgot to mention that I've heard a number of people have issues with running bootcamp as a partition shared with the Mac OS... I use a separate drive for my windows boot drive and a third drive for my audio drive... [end edit]
post edited by Keni - 2015/07/17 20:50:41
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Re: Is running Sonar on Parallels desktop feasible?
2015/07/18 02:29:12
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I don't personally do it but know of many who are running Bootcamp successfully in all areas from studio to live recording without problem.
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