Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon???

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2011/07/12 10:14:05 (permalink)

Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon???

I recently had a new DAW built for me with Sonar X1 64 bit installed. Previously, I ran Sonar 3 on my old platform. I have read that people with "clean" installs (no previous versions of Sonar installed) of Sonar X1 64-bit have successfully ran their previous Sonar 8.5 installation disc to install Lexicon Pantheon Reverb. I have ran my Sonar 3 install disc and see that it has installed the pantheon.dll file in the "Shared Plugins" directory but it does not show up in my Plugin Manager nor does it work on any of my existing projects that used it. So was there a 32-bit version that I have on my Sonar 3 disc but then a 64-bit version that was introduced in later versions or is there something else I am overlooking?
 
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    brundlefly
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    Re:Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon??? 2011/07/12 11:09:30 (permalink)
    Lexicon Pantheon is a DX plugin, and there is an x64 version. It was not included with X1 for some (dumb) reason, so you have to have a previous version of SONAR new enough (I presume S5 or later) to have included the x64 version. Then you can do a Custom install of just Pantheon from that version. I still have it because I upgraded to X1 from 8.5.

    If you don't have a release from S5 to S8, you'll have to talk to Cakewalk Support about how to obtain and install it. I don't know if it's possible to install a DX effect just by having the right DLL in the right place and registering it, but it might be.

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    Re:Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon??? 2011/07/12 12:55:29 (permalink)
    I haven't complained about X1 but have to say that the exclusion of Lexicon was a huge mistake.

    Luckily, Sweetwater installed X1 on my machine by installing 8.5 and then ugrading, so, even though I was not previously an 8.5 user, I got Lexicon.

    I am running 64-bit, by the way, and did not do anything special to get Lexicon running.
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    Re:Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon??? 2011/07/12 15:07:42 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies brundlefly and konradh.
     
    I suspected it was just a difference of Sonar 3 having a 32-bit version and 8.5 a 64-bit one. I have put in an email request to Cakewalk to see if there's any way to get the 64-bit version.
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    Re:Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon??? 2011/07/12 19:10:46 (permalink)
    konradh

    Luckily, Sweetwater installed X1 on my machine by installing 8.5 and then ugrading, so, even though I was not previously an 8.5 user, I got Lexicon.
    Although this seemed to work out fine for you, did you ask "why" they did it this way?
    This is none of my business, it just has me scratching my head

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    Re:Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon??? 2011/07/12 21:18:19 (permalink)
    codamedia, Sweetwater has been very good to me, given me stellar support, and the tech I work with is the best around.  I would absolutely recommend their services; however, this system was a bit of a journey.  As to why they installed 8.5:

    I bought a lot at once: Creation Station rack-mount PC (64-bit), V-Studio 700 including Sonar X1, Vienna, Ivory, Fab Four, studio furniture, new MIDI interface, etc.  (Separately, I added new controllers, KRK monitors, some Big Fish samples, and other stuff.)  I paid Sweetwater to have everything installed and configured so I could plug it in and play.  Unfortunately, the person who did the first install was new in the job (no idea why they did that with such a complex system), and when I got it, it was a disaster.  After trying to fix things remotely for weeks, I ended up sending everything back and they had to start completely over.

    The installer apparently already had 8.5 disks and thought that was the way to go, rather than ordering X1.  I assume they had a V-Studio bundle in stock.  I had to ask Sweetwater to work with Cakewalk to get me X1 disks and a manual after the fact, which they did.

    This was a complete fiasco; however, Sweetwater has been great over the years and they bent over backwards to make this right, so I don't want to give anyone a bad impression.  They have been extremely responsive and the owner of the company got involved personally.  I am sure that when all was said and done, they lost money on this deal, but they did make it right.

    Note that this was complicated by the fact that 64-bit was new so there was a real challenge getting my existing VIs (like RealGuitar and RealStrat) to work, and the Fantom synth built into the V-Studio gave us a lot of trouble in 64-bit.

    Good news for future customers: Sweetwater has techs that now know X1 and 64-bit inside out.
    post edited by konradh - 2011/07/12 21:21:23
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    Re:Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon??? 2011/07/12 22:34:21 (permalink)
    Personally I never liked the Pantheon reverb plug. I  think it sounds a bit harsh, cold and metallic. The Sonitus, and even Cake's FXReverb, sounds much warmer and richer to my ears.

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    Re:Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon??? 2011/07/13 03:43:29 (permalink)
    DirectX instruments were developed by Cakewalk in co-operation with Microsoft, but CW have decided to drop it in favour of the universal VST standard, hence its absence in X1.  I reinstalled it from 8.5 as I like it, but I didn't think it was already 64 bit as stated above; how can I tell?

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    Re:Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon??? 2011/07/13 11:29:12 (permalink)
    Zuma


    Personally I never liked the Pantheon reverb plug. I  think it sounds a bit harsh, cold and metallic. The Sonitus, and even Cake's FXReverb, sounds much warmer and richer to my ears.


    I have also found other reverbs that I prefer but nearly all of my past projects used Lexicon and, with it, I was able to get the sounds that I wanted. I have tried to remix some of my projects but, by not having Lexicon, the "sound" that I originally achieved is gone and I can't get that same sound in a lot of cases when starting over from scratch with a new plugin (not because the plugin can't do it but because I can't find the right settings).

    I talked to Cakewalk support yesterday and they basically told me I'm SOL. I asked if there was any option to purchase past versions of SONAR that had the 64-bit version of Lexicon but  they didn't have any available.

    Anyone have any ideas?  Thanks.
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    Re:Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon??? 2011/07/13 12:13:05 (permalink)
    anderton's pantheon tips @ soundonsound: http://www.soundonsound.c...rticles/sonarnotes.htm


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    Re:Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon??? 2011/07/13 13:08:13 (permalink)

    I didn't think it was already 64 bit as stated above; how can I tell?

    My understanding is that 32-bit DX plugins will not run in a 64-bit environment (except possibly using a 3rd-party shell/wrapper that makes it look like a VST, but I was never able to get that working with any 32-bit Cakewalk DXis).

    Ergo, I conclude that any DX plug included with a 64-bit release must have been re-compiled for x64 compatibility.

    EDIT: Cakewalk's inability to provide a solution for X1 owners who don't have an earlier version that included the x64 DLL suggests to me that they are no longer paying a licensing fee to Lexicon, and therefore do not have the right to distribute new copies of the DLL.





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    Re:Is there a 32-bit AND a 64-bit version of Lexicon Pantheon??? 2011/07/13 13:38:31 (permalink)
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    EDIT: Cakewalk's inability to provide a solution for X1 owners who don't have an earlier version that included the x64 DLL suggests to me that they are no longer paying a licensing fee to Lexicon, and therefore do not have the right to distribute new copies of the DLL.
    It couldn't be that Lexicon have stopped endorsing the plugin in fear that it might hurt the high-end appeal of their new expensive line of plugin reverbs?
     
    I certainly wouldn't pay $1000 for Lexicon PCM Native if I were under the impression that the algorithms were related to the Panthenon. Sound's like the built-in reverb on my 1990s Techics PCM keyboard, weird and grainy.
     
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