rodreb
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Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
I have come to depend heavily on the Concrete Limiter. I just love what it does to sound of things when hitting 2 to 4 db gain reduction on peaks. I stopped using Waves and Sonnox limiters in favor of it. Now, since it's a Pro Channel module, it will become unusable when the inevitable time comes that I must leave my beloved Sonar in the past.
Is anyone aware of anything out there that is similar in sound and function to Concrete Limiter?
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sven450
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/11/30 01:29:09
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I'll be honest and say at 2-4 db reduction, I can't tell a difference between most limiters. I use the Waves L1 as often as the Concrete, and I hear no difference. Maybe try that? The L1 is "old" so it is probably cheap, and it does what a limiter is supposed to do....
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/11/30 01:32:36
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Out of all the Sonar offerings I found the BT Brickwall my go to. It's only $19 if your planning on porting over.
Most of the included plug ins are very easy to find either an alternative or you can buy them in places like the JRR shop on sale.
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/11/30 01:57:23
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I have a heap of limiters in my collection, but one of the best is completely free. Try Limiter No/6 the GUI is pretty crap but it's very usable.
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/11/30 02:04:23
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/11/30 02:13:15
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Which I believe was included in the sales (half price), so if you are in no rush, it will be again.
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rodreb
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/11/30 02:25:28
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I've got a bunch of them, including L1, L2, Sonnox, No. 6, etc. I have just never felt any of them do quite what the Concrete Limiter does to the sound. Guess I'll just have to try them all again. Oh, I've also heard good stuff about the Fab Filter and, I do not have that one.
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dubdisciple
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/11/30 17:49:28
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CL just works for me. Have not found any that are exactly like it, but I have been experimenting with several free and non-free options.
The IK VTC670 - doesn't sound anything like CL, but really liking it on my busses.
W1 compressor (free)- a decent L1 clone. nothing fancy
Softube Drawmer S73 - This seems like a cheat since it is literally presets with amount and gain knobs, but it is awesome on busses
I'm still looking
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JClosed
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/11/30 18:04:27
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/11/30 18:21:14
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I've been trying ti find a good AU alternative to the CL for a while. The function I've found hardest to recreate in anything else is the low frequency switch.
Apart from that, Waves L2 and L3 are good limiters that are easy to configure.
d16's Frontier sounds very nice indeed but perhaps lacks the fine controls and metering for an accurate mastering final limiter.
I'd been hoping for Cakewalk to release a Mac/AU version of the CL as they did with the CA-2A, which is as good an LA-2A style compressor plugin as any and better than most. Not to be I guess.
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Brian Walton
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/11/30 18:26:46
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JClosed
Like said before Tone Boosters Barricade limiter is cheap (in price), and is also very good.
Why not try it out to see if you like it: https://www.toneboosters.com/tb_barricade_v4.html
This is what i used before CL CL isn't a pro-channel. They just locked the VST to Sonar, which is unfortunate. Why they didn't treat it like the L-Phase and offer it as a separate purchase is beyond me. Great plugin.
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dede
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/11/30 18:41:33
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I think the L1 is the touchstone, everybody tried to imitate that one, particularly Cake.
They've just released the updated 25th anniv. L1, beautifull look, same thing, I'll stick to that one. Also use the Concrete a lot on PC and ad mentioned: for moderate limiting (-2 or -3 dB) you won't hear any difference. Any major limiter will do.
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rodreb
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/11/30 22:29:51
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The Concrete Limiter (to my ears) adds some very subtle thickness/saturation/glue/depth, I don't know what to call it. It's just something that I have yet to hear in anything else I've tried.
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dubdisciple
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/12/01 00:50:07
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☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/12/01 14:24:54
JClosed
Like said before Tone Boosters Barricade limiter is cheap (in price), and is also very good.
Why not try it out to see if you like it: https://www.toneboosters.com/tb_barricade_v4.html
Computer music magazine gives away a free version every issue
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dcmg
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/12/01 01:28:07
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Love the TRacks Stealth Limiter for a hardcore mastering limiter.
Bit much for everyday track use; great for final master prep.
<sigh> I still used CL often at the track level. I will miss that one.
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/12/01 01:37:56
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Tonebooster's Barricade is excellent.
I am also now using Waves L2. It's now my favorite.
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/12/01 07:03:15
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Fabfilter Pro-L limiter is the best one I’ve ever used. I own all of the Waves limiters and they will all square off the transients when pushed even just a little bit. Fabfilter Pro-L can do lots of limiting while still retaining the integrity of your transients... the peaks are smooth and rounded, with no signs of flatlining/squaring off. I still use the Waves L2 for certain things, but Pro-L you can trust on your entire mix.
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/12/01 07:44:49
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
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Re: Is there a viable replacement for the Concrete Limiter?
2017/12/01 08:42:32
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I just did a comparison between Waves L1 ($29 on sale) and Concrete Limiter. I set them as close to the same as possible (numerically) and grouped them so I could AB immediately. Concrete seems to have a tiny bit more low end but L1 is pretty good in all other respects.
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