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2017/06/13 03:43:54 (permalink)

Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro?

Hello,
 
Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro?
 
Its easier to record when in libraries.
 
Thanks.
 
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 04:12:09 (permalink)
Do you mean a sampled guitar? Acoustic or electric? There are guitars in Rapture Session.
 
Strum Session has a really good virtual electric and acoustic done with physical modeling, but it's Platinum only. However it's available from AAS, as is Strum GS-2, which has more models.

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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 10:28:22 (permalink)
Did Strum Session add electric models at some point or did I just never notice them? I thought they were acoustic only?
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 14:09:47 (permalink)
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Did Strum Session add electric models at some point or did I just never notice them? I thought they were acoustic only?



Strum acoustic sessions only has acoustic guitars.  Strum Sessions has a few electric guitars, click on bank.  Strum GS-2 has many different acoustic and electric guitars, again click on bank.
 
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 14:35:12 (permalink)
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Did Strum Session add electric models at some point or did I just never notice them? I thought they were acoustic only?



Strum was updated from Strum Acoustic to Strum Session 2 in June 2015 with an acoustic and electric model. Both have several presets with variations. Platinum only...and well worth checking out. I have the full version and it's pretty amazing as a virtual instrument, let alone as a "riff generator."

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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 15:44:03 (permalink)
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it's pretty amazing as a virtual instrument, let alone as a "riff generator."


Will it make me a new and improved Smoke On The Water?
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 15:50:18 (permalink)
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it's pretty amazing as a virtual instrument, let alone as a "riff generator."


Will it make me a new and improved Smoke On The Water?




 
Simply invert a favorite Beethoven riff...at least thats what Ritchie claims he did. ;-)
 
 
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 16:30:31 (permalink)
Oops, haha I guess I will have to check that out. To be honest I wasn't blown away by the sound and I found the interface pretty cumbersome. Time to redouble my efforts, I could use a decent mock guitar for convenient writing.
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 16:37:24 (permalink)
Check here:
 
http://www.indiginus.com/index.html
 
Inexpensive, but quality acoustic, and electric guitar strum sample libraries. 
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 16:39:53 (permalink)
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Oops, haha I guess I will have to check that out. To be honest I wasn't blown away by the sound and I found the interface pretty cumbersome. Time to redouble my efforts, I could use a decent mock guitar for convenient writing.

+1 here on the sound. Especially the acoustics. There is just something about the tone and, oh, I cannot really put my finger on exactly what it is. But they do sound a bit "fakish". There are much better guitar sims out there. Sampletank 3 (acoustic) guitars are pretty decent imo.
 
The GS2 electric guitars are much better, fwiw
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 16:46:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dontayoutouch 2017/06/13 18:22:24
The sounds are modeled, not sampled, so they're not going to sound like "real" acoustic guitars...more like "CGI" acoustic guitars. But you also don't have velocity splits, sample splits, etc. And the editing makes a difference; with sampled guitars, you're pretty much stuck with whatever was sampled. With GS-2, I could (for example) tame pick sounds easily.
 
As a guitar player, both sampled and modeled guitars sound "fake" to me. But modeled guitars give me sounds I can't get with my acoustic or electric guitars, so I find them more useful in terms of adding textures, doubling miked guitar parts, doing solos and chord shapes that would be impossible to play on real guitars, etc.

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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 18:35:07 (permalink)
ahh, but there is the rub Craig, you ARE a guitarist and as such have no real need for authentic guitar sound as you create your own. For keyboardists who don't play guitar but want realistic guitar parts, then sound is critical. jmo
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 19:54:47 (permalink)
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ahh, but there is the rub Craig, you ARE a guitarist and as such have no real need for authentic guitar sound as you create your own. For keyboardists who don't play guitar but want realistic guitar parts, then sound is critical. jmo



If you want a virtual guitar program that uses samples instead of modeling, there are UJAM's Virtual Guitarist programs. But consider this...
 
I once did a seminar for Peavey in Nashville on synthesis using their DPM3 synth (still a great synth IMHO). Someone in the audience said "I have a really hard time getting a good guitar sound from my keyboard. How can I get a really convincing guitar sound?" I said "You're in NASHVILLE! Hire a guitar player!"
 
I know what you're saying, but I'm not sure "accuracy" is more important than feel. For example I can't play saxophone but to my ears, sampled saxes sound as fake as sampled guitars (if not more so). So I never use sampled saxes. I use modeled wind instruments to play the kind of lead line a sax would play. Then no one can say "That sax sounds fake." Instead they'll (hopefully) say "I like that lead line...reminds me of a sax."
 
I do think if I was to record some of the GS-2 nylon guitar sounds on a track, some people would ask "What mic did you use?"
 
This audio example sounds pretty convincing, especially since the guitars aren't in a track but bare naked and mixed up front...this one has acoustic guitar sounds in context. Of course, much depends on how well someone learns the various mute, muffled, upstroke, downstroke and other expressive options.
 
 

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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/13 23:11:01 (permalink)
Nope sorry, that first demo seems pretty GS2 ish to me :) its just got that mid-to upper "twang" about it. Sounds nothing like a real acoustic nylon, well to me anyway. And fwiw, I think accuracy when trying to emulate guitar parts as a keyboard player is extremely important.
 
For example.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZABPh4bPHGY or 12 string steel https://soundcloud.com/ikmultimedia/sets/st3-acousticguitar  and acousctic steel https://soundcloud.com/ikmultimedia/st3-steelstring2b?in=ikmultimedia/sets/st3-acousticguitar these are from Sampletank 3, and although still not quite full authentic, imo, they are much closer than GS2, albeit they are sampled and not modelled.
 
FWIW, when I use these sorts of things I also try to keep the notes (and chords with correct roots) pretty much as they would be on a guitar - for example nothing below E (unless its drop tuned of course haha!)
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/14 01:46:22 (permalink)
FWIW that first example wasn't supposed to be a nylon string guitar. I'll record something sometime and post it.
 

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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/14 10:35:10 (permalink)
both your examples are very good, but not perfect.
If you really want to get a great guitar sound, Get the real thing.
As Craig mentioned, when you try and substitute an instrument that isn't done well, people are left thinking "That sounds fake". Even if you choose another instrument (sometimes even piano substituted for guitar) it can sound better/ more realistic.

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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/14 16:36:21 (permalink)
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FWIW that first example wasn't supposed to be a nylon string guitar. I'll record something sometime and post it.
 


that'd be cool
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/14 16:39:03 (permalink)
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both your examples are very good, but not perfect.
If you really want to get a great guitar sound, Get the real thing.....

haha, if only!!  Gigs where I am can't really afford the extra, and there are none about (players that is) well, who are available...so when one wants to add a guitar, one needs to compromise principles a tad to achieve a result :-)
 
FWIW I actually use guitar Real Tracks from PG Music for pretty much all the guitar backing tracks I use. And THEY are real!!
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/14 16:44:32 (permalink)
When using samplers, you might find the tips in this article helpful. I agree that loops of actual playing will almost always be better than trying to "play" parts. For drums, I use a lot of acoustic drum loops by Chris McHugh - even drummers think my songs have real drum parts...because they do 

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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/14 18:14:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby karhide 2017/06/14 18:30:44
haha, absolutely Craig - why I use em (just guitars though), for drums all I use is a kick drum stomper .....thanks for the link i'll have a read
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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/15 20:14:58 (permalink)
RealGuitar (MusicLab) is the most critical non-Sonar VI I have.  It will play any strummed acoustic guitar part you can imagine (unless it would no be playable on an actual guitar).  It also does good solo and finger picking parts, but I have several keyboards and sample libraries that will do that.  Strumming is the hard part and RG makes that easy (once you get the concept).
 
Vir 2 Acou6tics sounds great, but I find it and Electri6ity a little harder to use.

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Re: Is there a virtual guitar in SONAR Pro? 2017/06/15 20:22:15 (permalink)
Ample sound also has a pretty nice line as well and ive head good things about Evolution Strawberry for Kontakt.
 

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