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2015/02/10 02:52:32 (permalink)

Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time?

Is there a setting that allows two instances of Platinum, or one of Platinum and one of X3 open at the same time? I have "share drivers with other programs" enabled but that doesn't seem to help. I get a message saying "no audio devices available" in the second program.
 

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 03:00:31 (permalink)
Assuming that they have not changed this, the setting for allowing more than one project open at a time can be found under:
Preferences > File > Advanced
 

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 03:04:35 (permalink)
Thanks Kev. I looked there on your advice and the option to have only one project open is unchecked (ie will allow 2). However, just to clarify, I actually want to have two instances of Sonar running - not two projects within the same instance. I want to be able to alt-tab between two projects to copy/paste some tracks.
post edited by Pastacrow - 2015/02/10 03:12:42

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 03:25:44 (permalink)
You can copy/paste track content (not tracks) when you have two projects open in a single instance. You can arrange them in columns for easier dragging and dropping. There is no need to have two instances of Sonar open for this and in fact you can't.
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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 03:34:33 (permalink)
Thanks Sanderxpander. If I can't - that is a real shame for me. I'm having trouble transferring my projects from X3 to Platinum because of Bundle file and 'save as' files issues, so was hoping that I could do it this way. 

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 04:05:48 (permalink)
Ok, what issues are you having with save as?
 
It should be relatively straight forward to do what you want.
 
Are you attempting to open a bundle file or a cwp?
 
If it's the latter, what happens if you start Platinum and open your project from there?
 
This is by far the easiest method so if it's not working for you we need to try and find out why.

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 05:35:29 (permalink)
Hello Jonesey, I've got a whole bunch of weird stuff going on! 
 
I have a whole album of songs about 2/3 of the way completed, but I had so many issues with X3(E) that I resorted to buying a new computer, upgrading to Platinum, and upgrading Auto tune (which seemed to be related to some issues) just in the hope that things improved. I've tried saving as a new project in Platinum and get things like this ...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n8lheagq95j6fck/2015-02-10_2.bmp?dl=0
where the pro channel is a visual duplicate of the track!!! ... I have tried saving as a bundle file and then reopening as a new project in a new location but the bundle file is somehow still linked to audio files that were long ago removed from the project. To test out what was happening I incrementally reduced the size of a saved copy of the project and ended up with only one 5 sec piece of audio (trimmed and bounced) which still when bundled, listed as 1.4GB. Go figure??!!! 
 
So, the plan was to try copy/pasting from the old project to a brand new Platinum project, piece by piece. Looks like that is not an option. I'm continuing to try different things as I write ...

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 09:51:10 (permalink)
X3e is really quite stable. I'd suggest getting it working properly, opening your projects in X3e, and "save as" using per-project folders. Then open those in Platinum. I've had no problem opening files created in X3e but then again, didn't have problems with X3e originally.

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 10:26:51 (permalink)
To the original question, you should be able to run X3 and Platinum side by side with share drivers enabled. That said, I notice you're running an Octacapture, and I have the same issue on my laptop using a Duo Capture EX, whereas sharing works fine on my desktop with the MOTU interface. So it may be that the Roland drivers just don't play nice with this.
 
As others have suggested, however, you can open two projects in the same instance of SONAR and Ctrl-tab between them instead Alt-tabbing, or even tile the windows and drag content from one to the other.
 
But, ultimately,  I would suggest you use the forum and/or Cakewalk Tech Support to get to the bottom of why you can't open old projects and bundles in Platinum, and get them working normally.
 
The Inspector pane redraw thing has come up a few times. Back in X1 or X2, there was a problem with having the Inspector locked to a bus when the project was saved. You might want to check for that.
post edited by brundlefly - 2015/02/10 12:25:06

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 11:55:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/02/10 12:28:44
There is no need to share drivers, simply set one to MME and use the built in soundcard driver for the purpose of copying tracks/events.
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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 12:55:48 (permalink)
I think the answer is in the OP sorting out the saving of projects. You living dangerously if your files are that unstable.
I think what's happening is you just haven't got your saving figured out.
 
 
I would be using my DATA drive to store projects and Audio. Never use Cakewalks default unless you want everything jumbled up in a big mess. 
If there is no second data drive then use an external USB  drive.   
Open a  project in X3e.
Go to file
SAVE AS
 
Now browse to the data storage location using the windows dialog boxes ( save in) .
Check the "copy all audio with project"
Make sure the file type is set to Normal for best results.
 
No need to rename the project but if making back ups this is a good idea using a date.
Now hit save. Done deal. 
If transfering to a new computer simply drag and drop the folder(s) to your new Sonar folder locations. 
I use a data drive and have main folders for each album/client. 
Now open your new version of Sonar/ file/ open/  and browse to the data storage location to open. 
 
 
For the record, you can have dozens of projects open and minimize them to the bottom. 
I have copy pasted this way plenty of times. It's just windows. Sonar is a windows based program and copy paste between windows is standard stuff.  Now 2 different versions? That has never come up for me because my projects have always opened in the newer version abet with a few warnings about missing stuff. 

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 20:13:43 (permalink)
Thanks Craig, Brundlefly, Sanderxpander and Cactus Music, for your thoughts and suggestions while I've been sleeping. I am trying to work through all of them and see what happens.
 
 
So far today I have opened the project in X3, trimmed and bounced every track so that there is only 10 audio tracks (and 2 midi) to make sure it is as clean as possible, and 'saved as' to a new file on another disk. However, in my newly created audio folder, 31 audio files still appear when there should only be 10! I can tell from listening to them that many of them are from 2-3 years ago when first writing the songs, yet are no longer meant to be part of the project.
 
When I remove one or more of those files from the audio folder and open the project, I get missing audio file messages. I'm told that audio will be replaced with silence. However, none of my tracks is missing though - as the file it is seeking is one of those really old early versions. Even though I skip the file search and save as such, the project is forever wanting to still find those missing files. (Hence, as mentioned in my experiment above, I can reduce the project down to 5 sec of audio on one track only - save it, yet still produce a 1.4 GB Bundle file!!! ... if I try that option)
 
I really just want a clean project as I believe those 'uneeded' 'missing' files are a big part of the reason I've had issues with these projects in X3 in the first place. I just want a clean version in Platinum, which is why I was trying the cut/paste alt/tab method to see if that would avoid the baggage.
 
When I've tried having the two projects open in one instance of Sonar as suggested (arranged in columns, and copy/paste between them) - I get crashes!
 
I will continue trying some of the other suggestions today ....
post edited by Pastacrow - 2015/02/11 02:07:52

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 20:23:55 (permalink)
Could the project have hidden tracks? Type "H" to open the track manager.
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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 20:34:24 (permalink)
Scook - you are a legend! and I feel pretty stupid! ... I found hidden tracks!
Hopefully, when I delete these, the project may behave better. I'll try this out today. I'm off now to buy my son a keyboard and audio interface etc.
 

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/10 21:16:18 (permalink)
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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/11 00:39:23 (permalink)
Keyboard, audio interface and headphones purchased - kid rockin' ... Now my saga continues ...
 
After managing to get X3 working without crashing for a few moments, I removed all the hidden tracks except for one, and then saved the project and its audio to another drive. I opened it in Platinum and most things seem OK ... except this ... 
 
My one remaining hidden track keeps getting hidden again and my current view is not maintained. I click H, make sure the particular track is not hidden, ticking the checkbox to keep track and console visibility in sync, and save the project in console view. When I reopen the project, the formerly hidden track is again hidden (track manager shows it unchecked) and my current view is track view rather than console view where I saved it. I can repeat this over and over. This would at least explain why my hidden tracks got forgotten at some point along the way when cleaning up this project.

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/11 01:41:50 (permalink)
Locked screenset?

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/11 02:02:42 (permalink)
Yes!!! Thanks Brundlefly! Another box ticked off!
Although the strange thing is that I have never used screensets, ever, so just didn't consider such a possibility. I only use  the D, I and B keys to change things according to my needs. 

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/11 02:31:14 (permalink)
Wow.  This thread has made me paranoid.  When I upgrade to Platinum tomorrow and find out I can't finish the Projects I'm working on that WILL REALLY SUCK.  As in on a scale of 1 to 10, a 13!! 
 
That worry expressed, I am however glad I stumbled across this because I now am going to make a system image of my drive before upgrading.  Probably a good practice anywho.....

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/11 05:53:07 (permalink)
There really is nothing to worry about.
 
As you can see from the above exchange, and without being rude, all of the problems were down to pilot error.

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/11 07:48:19 (permalink)
Plus you could still continue working in X3. I usually finish projects in the version I started them on.
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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/11 10:53:08 (permalink)
I have gone through all versions since Home Studio, S6-7-8.5 skipped X1 and X2 a then X3 and now Professional. 
ALL my CWP files open and they all have played. If I open an old CWP from S7 which was 32 bit and a different interface I get the missing plug in warning. They still open and the missing plug ins will show in brackets in the effect bins. Just delete and replace with a new one. 
You get a warning on opening about what has changed, that's all. Midi is Midi , audio is audio. 

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/11 13:52:49 (permalink)
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I have gone through all versions since Home Studio, S6-7-8.5 skipped X1 and X2 a then X3 and now Professional. 
ALL my CWP files open and they all have played. If I open an old CWP from S7 which was 32 bit and a different interface I get the missing plug in warning. They still open and the missing plug ins will show in brackets in the effect bins. Just delete and replace with a new one. 
You get a warning on opening about what has changed, that's all. Midi is Midi , audio is audio.

 
It works both ways too, i.e. backward as well as forward compatibility. Projects created in a later version can normally be opened in an earlier version.

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Re: Is there a way to have two instances of Sonar open at the same time? 2015/02/11 14:02:54 (permalink)
Yes Kev, but certain features added in later versions, for example ProChannel, Melodyne, will not work

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