Is there a way to prevent this in PRV?

rbowser


Hi, Twig - Well, you won't be thrilled with this reply, but maybe it'll be helpful to hear out this other perspective:

--In no way meaning to be argumentative, I don't understand why it's an issue for edits to become new layers.  Why is it important to keep bouncing to clip--?

It is extremely rare for me to click to see layers on a MIDI track or to bounce to clips.  I get tons of layers piling up because my tracks are done with multiple takes, adding new controller data, doing PRV edits, layering in new notes etc - Editing of any portion or layer of the track is easily done in the PRV.  If I want to move/copy a whole section of a track, I make the selection in the time line and all layers move together - etc.

This is a totally different perspective coming from me as someone who pretty much ignores MIDI layers - If someone has become convinced for some reason that solid no-layers clips are important, then what you're talking about would be an issue.

But in all sincerity, I don't understand how it makes any difference for layers to build up like that.  Layers in audio tracks - that's a very different matter, gotta have those.

So--?  

Randy B.

rbowser

Twigman

I prefer to be able to see all the data in 1 clip in the TRV....for example ...

Thanks for describing that for me, Twig.  I see that the difference in our working method is that I do the vast majority of my work in the PRV where I can access everything.  I keep one TV track visible above the PRV for reference, but the kind of editing you're talking about I do all in the PRV, so the layers aren't an issue for me.  Hmm, well, it's interesting - I can see that if you stick with the TV this much, that visibility of all data would be an issue. 


Randy B.

rbowser

Twigman

The TV is my primary focus.
i use lots of midi
i use a fair bit of audio.
The midi is often groove clip looped - (can you do that in any view other than the TV?) and to loop it it all needs to be in the same clip anyway.

Right, with all the looping you do, I understand your need for clips and working so much in the TV.  I can count on one hand the times I've groove clipped anything.   People have their own unique work flows depending on the kind of music they're creating.


It might help you out to have a PRV screenset like I have, with one TV track visible above the PRV - you can go back and forth instantly that way, seems like it could take some of the hassle out of needing to constantly bounce to clips?


Randy B.

In prefernces(P) Project - Record does unchecking the box under Layers - "Create new layers on overlap" solve the problem or does that just apply to Audio?

rmfluzon


I don't think it's a groove clip issue, as I don't use them. It happens when I'm just creating and editing simple MIDI clips. One other thing to note is that this doesn't happen consistently. Sometimes it goes into the same clip, sometime not. And btw, it doesn't matter whether the clip is stacked or not either, I've seen a new clip created when adding notes after the end of existing notes. That sort of makes sense at least, and is less irritating than when they get stacked, which is easy to miss if you don't have all the track layers opened up, until of course you drag copy or copy/paste a few instances of a clip only to wonder what the hell happened to the hihat in all the copies.

Someone suggested that if you double click a clip to open the piano roll, added data goes into the same clip, and if you open the piano roll some other way it creates a new clip. I'll have to check it out again, but I could have sworn that I tested this before and it didn't work consistently. Maybe there's some other variable in the equation. And so that's the other half of the problem, I can't figure out when it will be added to the same clip and when it won't. I could get used to just working with track layers open and bouncing to clips all the time if Sonar always added edits to a new clip, but it doesn't. I mean, I guess if I can't figure out any other answer, I will always work that way. Honestly, expanding the track layers to make it easier to select and bounce stacked clips together only occurred to me a couple of weeks ago (yeah, I'm thick sometimes, I know), so  I guess I'll just get used to that.

rbowser

So my question is why does it seem like this layers thing still bothers you, even though you don't use groove clips?  If you use the PRV, the heart of MIDI editing in Sonar,  you can see all the data in a track - notes and controllers, regardless if they're in layers or not - so I'm not getting why it matters to you that they're on different layers--?

RB

brundlefly


I'm late to the party, referred here by the "Am i being an idiot" thread. I haven't read the whole thread, but searched it for "Non-destructive MIDI Editing", and didn't see it, so...
 
Non-destructive MIDI Editing is enabled by default (Options in 8.5.3; Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Customization > Editing in the more "streamlined" X1) , and causes all kinds of edits to create new clips instead of just modifying an existing clip. I always have it disabled, because it can have undesirable side-effects in additon to the plethora of clips created.
 
Possibly this is a contributing factor if not the full explanation for what is being discussed here...?
 
 
 

brundlefly

Options in 8.5.3;
Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Customization > Editing in the more "streamlined" X1)