Is there an auto-trimming or something?

So I don't know why I never really had this issue in Sonar 8.5 (not really never, sometimes I did, but far far less)... But I have it almost every single time in X3.
 
So I go hit record, I start playing my keyboard, until I have a nice little melody/progression that works. Lets say for the sake of the story its a 4 bar loop and the part I like is from bar 4 to bar 8. I also quantized it at 1/8th notes. So with snap on, I cut it at bar 4, I cut it at bar 8, delete everything before and after, and proceed to drag out some copies to repeat that little piece. Like 90% of the time, it looks perfect, but when I play back I notice a hesitation. So sure enough I go in, and there was the tiniest of tiny little blank space before the first note in the progression, leaving all the copies off by a little bit. The first note doesn't start at 4:01:000 it's at like 4:01:xxx some random little number. Not even a nicely quantized number even though the whole thing was selected when I hit quantize.
 
So obviously I then delete all the copies I had made, right click the original, hit Apply Trimming, drag the clip that little tiny fraction of a bit back to start at 4:01:000 and then make my copies and all is right. It's just annoying and if there's something I'm not doing that would save me that hassle I'd love to know.
 
Thanks!

that's interesting, the ctrl+pgup/pgdn. I didn't know of that keyboard shortcut. Nice to know and maybe it will help. Thanks.
 
I'm kind of the opposite, the reason I've stuck with Sonar all these years (Since Cakewalk Pro Audio 4.0) is exactly because I always had an easier time making my clips and snapping them to bars to create grooves/loops out of what I played on the keyboard. I've played with Logic, Cubase, Protools... None of them ever felt right to me. But now that I just recently switched to the X series from 8.5 I'm having all these little growing pains. I'm sure I'll get used to it eventually. It was definitely time to finally switch haha.

Good to know I'm not alone haha.
 
I'm sure the "right" thing to do is use groove clip looping for this, but copying and pasting and or shift-dragging is like muscle memory for me at this point after 10 years of doing it every day.
 
I also can't for the life of me figure out why comping is the default recording mode for when you're recording midi. I could save a new Normal template I know but I always forget to do it until I'm already in the middle of a new project and realize that I can't hear the notes already recorded when I go to try to record a few different notes in over a track haha. It's like I'm taking crazy pills over here...

laaaame.
 
like I said. correctly is kind of like, a relative term here? I don't know if that's the right phrase haha... But if I am snapped to grid, and pretty well-enough zoomed in to see that I'm definitely clicking on the start of bar 4... And with snap on it would HAVE to truly be the start of bar 4... Yet it still doesn't trim correctly... That ain't me making the mistake. :-)

Hrm. Check your snap settings maybe? If it's set to "Move By" instead of "Move To" (though I always use "Move By"), and/or clip landmarks are selected you may not actually be trimming it at bar 4 and bar 8, but instead are snapped to something that is also very close to that beat boundary.
 

This is audio or MIDI?  I have never had this behavior with MIDI and would be at a loss to explain how it would even happen.  Assuming you must mean audio.

I've had this happen on midi too. It's easy to see how it could at the end of the clip. I'm not entirely positive how it happens at the start of one. Does quantize actually change clip length?

Yep . . . I get this too. Was working yesterday with midi clips arranging a song, and snap settings (with regard to cutting and pasting) do not always work like expected. As stated, if you use "apply trimming", then you are usually snapped to the first note of the clip, but it's an extra step that I don't need.
 
So . . . I look at the snap, magnetic strength, snap to landmarks events, copy and paste special settings, snap to, snap by,  . . . Ya I like options, but maybe there's too many settings to make something simple more complex.
I try not to tinker too much with default settings, and when I do, I always try to put things back where they were.
 
To be specific, the midi clips I'm manipulating are tracks with Soft Synth VSTi's inserted as simple instrument tracks.
(If that makes any difference)
 
My workflow for working with these clips: SELECT CLIP - SHIFT-G (snaps to beginning of the clip) - Ctrl-C -
Key Command "G" (go to - specify bar + time location) - Ctrl-V
 
 . . . however, SHIFT-G snapping to the beginning of the clip is not always snapped to the first note of that clip, so "apply trimming" must be used. Just wish I could pinpoint why this method works on some clips, but not others.