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Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
I know it was made free to the public.
As a long time user already had Sonar.
I know as long time users we were promised a lot
of things I have not seen anything special yet.
I don't mean to be overly critical.
But I'm Just Saying...........
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
2018/06/29 12:21:09
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i thought we were in the midst of "new and exciting"??
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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☄ Helpfulby Joon kim 2018/06/30 13:02:14
Whilst sometime new can be cool, personally bug fixes are cooler.
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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☄ Helpfulby Joon kim 2018/06/30 13:02:25
Honestly, what else do you really need? Cakewalk is already extremely robust and powerful and yes, I also agree, fixing the bugs for now is a great thing!
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2018/06/29 19:56:08
Well, let's turn the question around: What things are you missing from the program? What new and exciting thing would you like to see?
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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I'm impatiently waiting for the opportunity to upgrade my rapture to rapture pro and z3ta classic to z3ta+2 - I 've missed the upgrade in time . . . And maybe, the synths will be updated, too? cheers :)
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
2018/06/29 19:40:07
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Lord Tim
Well, let's turn the question around: What things are you missing from the program? What new and exciting thing would you like to see?
Chord Track (but generally I agree Sonar as it stands is very robust)
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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Lord Tim
Well, let's turn the question around: What things are you missing from the program? What new and exciting thing would you like to see?
Chord Track
(but generally I agree Sonar as it stands is very robust)
+1 for Chord Track
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
2018/06/29 19:59:55
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Lord Tim has a good point... swapping the spacebar with the functionality of ALT-F4 would definitely be "new and exciting" (for a time), but wouldn't be a highly desired feature.
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
2018/06/29 21:27:57
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Lord Tim
Well, let's turn the question around: What things are you missing from the program? What new and exciting thing would you like to see?
^^^^ Defining "new and exciting" is in the eye of the beholder. Well, at least "exciting" is because not everyone wants or needs the same things. For example, as often as it's mentioned I have little interest in the Chord Track feature. But that's just me.
I don't use MIDI much at all, but Sonar lacks easy composition tools. Few things are as important as composition and I think most people would benefit from more tools in that "space" Even an audio centric person like myself recognizes the need for such tools even if those "tracks" are scrapped for the actual production. Showing where chord changes are, should be pretty basic stuff in this day and age of music creation. Have you seen what Cubase and Pre-Sonus have done with Chord Track as it relates to actual Audio? It is pretty impressive stuff.
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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Lord Tim
Well, let's turn the question around: What things are you missing from the program? What new and exciting thing would you like to see?
^^^^ Defining "new and exciting" is in the eye of the beholder. Well, at least "exciting" is because not everyone wants or needs the same things. For example, as often as it's mentioned I have little interest in the Chord Track feature. But that's just me.
I don't use MIDI much at all, but Sonar lacks easy composition tools.
Few things are as important as composition and I think most people would benefit from more tools in that "space"
Even an audio centric person like myself recognizes the need for such tools even if those "tracks" are scrapped for the actual production. Showing where chord changes are, should be pretty basic stuff in this day and age of music creation.
Have you seen what Cubase and Pre-Sonus have done with Chord Track as it relates to actual Audio? It is pretty impressive stuff.
I do understand what those tools do and why many would like to see them added - they certainly have value. I just don't have much need for it myself for the way I work. My post was more about the OP's statement that nothing "exciting" has happened - it's all relative.
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
2018/06/30 01:05:09
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Since you ask.... I agree a chord track would be very useful..
unless this something you just can't add to this software program
because the code is outdated or something... who knows
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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Since you ask.... I agree a chord track would be very useful..
unless this something you just can't add to this software program
because the code is outdated or something... who knows
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
2018/06/30 01:44:46
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Get rid of CAL scripts in favour of something more user friendly.
Expression Maps.
Those are two things off the top of my head I'd love see done in Cakewalk.
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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The general replies in this thread and SteveC's post is what I was getting at. Aside from one or two other specific things mentioned, apparently a Chord Track is the one new and exciting feature that we need. Thanks for coming, everyone!
Obviously that's being a bit asinine there, but everyone has different needs. One guy's staff view is another guy's Audiosnap pallette. It's probably better to ask "what am I missing from the workflow?" rather than just waiting for some huge paradigm change to turn up.
Now this isn't dismissing the OP at all, believe me - have a look at my post up in the Feature Requests thread... and that's just a small part of what I'd love to see added! But with a program as mature as CbB is now, and the fact that since it's come back it's gotten some serious love with bug fixes and stuff added that people have been asking about for years, we really need to ask what it's missing rather than going "huh, old code, why is there nothing new I like" I reckon.
It's a pretty complete DAW as it is, and even if development stopped with SPlat when Gibson killed the company last year, that still would have been good enough for pro-level projects. It's only getting better, IMO.
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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I know as long time users we were promised a lot
of things I have not seen anything special yet.
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Promised what ? By whom ? If I may ask. Stability is King.
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That is 'one' of the reasons why SONAR was always just another serf and never a King 
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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No, there will never be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk.
BandLab bought the product and are paying their developers solely to tinker with the code until every bug is eliminated and to implement an endless series of minor cosmetic and convenience features that are unlikely to ever interest anyone searching for a modern, capable DAW.
Their reason for doing this? To promote their new web-based DAW by making a mockery of the very idea and paradigm of standalone, computer-based DAWs. Cakewalk was one of the first, and by parading around what is left of this once-proud program so that all may see how the new way of doing things has prevailed, they are demonstrating the victory of the new over the old.
"Oh, we kept Cakewalk alive" they can say, "but there was no interest! We couldn't even give it away for free!"
Well of course there wasn't when all you did was allow us to tart up its track colors as if it were some pathetic old painted lady of the night! And allow theming of the Piano Roll to resemble the darkness of the tomb itself!
Forget the new "features" that come in every month. Those are just a distraction from their true agenda. They bought Cakewalk and resurrected it so they could kill it again, deader than before.
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☄ Helpfulby Kamikaze 2018/06/30 07:06:50
Sigh at this stuff. Seriously. I'll leave you guys to it.
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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☄ Helpfulby Kamikaze 2018/06/30 11:03:19
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Sigh at this stuff. Seriously. I'll leave you guys to it.
+100 to this. Sometimes I think nothing will make some people happy. Seriously, put this in perspective. If you go through the history of what Gibson did with Cakewalk, you'll see it was reduced from over 100 staff to the bare minimum before eventually closing it down. I suspect all the big features in the past were all done when there were 100's of staff to work on them, and were planned well in advance - but of course it wasn't making money. Now BandLab has taken over, but with a much smaller development crew. These guys are having to: - Work on new Cakewalk features and bugs
- Support all the issues people are having
- Finish off the new forum
- Get all the other products ready (pro channels, synths etc), remembering that apart from tips, there's no "shop" on the BandLab site, so all that has to be developed & integrated too.
- etc, etc....
I think its great that we're getting ANY new features at this point in time given the amount of other work that is going on in the background. Anyone who has worked in a software development environment will appreciate the amount of time it takes to develop and test major new features, so to expect major features to appear month to month is frankly unrealistic. The big features you're seeing in other DAW's will have started development on those 9 to 18 months ago. So please give the Cakewalk guys a break. I'm pretty sure significant features will appear, but don't expect them in the immediate future.
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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Lord Tim
Sigh at this stuff. Seriously. I'll leave you guys to it.
+100 to this.
Sometimes I think nothing will make some people happy.
Seriously, put this in perspective. If you go through the history of what Gibson did with Cakewalk, you'll see it was reduced from over 100 staff to the bare minimum before eventually closing it down.
same happened with roland ownership - neither of these big owners could help make cakewalk profitable, and both offered the opportunity of hardware integration (roland/edirol and tascam)
I suspect all the big features in the past were all done when there were 100's of staff to work on them, and were planned well in advance - but of course it wasn't making money.
i don't think there were ever hundreds of staff!! but yeah, for whatever reason, cakewalk couldn't make money, and that's quite important when running a business...
Anyone who has worked in a software development environment will appreciate the amount of time it takes to develop and test major new features, so to expect major features to appear month to month is frankly unrealistic.
indeed, that expectation came directly from cakewalk marketing, and even bandlab have announced "an aggressive feature development roadmap ahead" so.... what gives? as it is, we're unlikely to find out what really happened over the last 10 years or so, but i think greg saw the writing on the wall and sold up while he still could, and since then it's been a try this/try that strategy /fwiw
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Get rid of CAL scripts in favour of something more user friendly.
Expression Maps.
Those are two things off the top of my head I'd love see done in Cakewalk.
I don't know how feasible it actually is, but the answer to that could be integration with Pure Data. For those who are not familiar with it, it is the free cousin of Max/MSP, designed by the same people. It is an object oriented audio, midi and video programming environment just like Max/MSP, though less pretty. A simple VST wrapper to run Pure Data patches within Cakelab would instantly add a lot of functionality, and possibly bring over a lot of new users from the Pure Data community.
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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TerraSin
Get rid of CAL scripts in favour of something more user friendly.
Expression Maps.
Those are two things off the top of my head I'd love see done in Cakewalk.
I don't know how feasible it actually is, but the answer to that could be integration with Pure Data. For those who are not familiar with it, it is the free cousin of Max/MSP, designed by the same people. It is an object oriented audio, midi and video programming environment just like Max/MSP, though less pretty. A simple VST wrapper to run Pure Data patches within Cakelab would instantly add a lot of functionality, and possibly bring over a lot of new users from the Pure Data community.
Sound On Sound has a very informative article about Pure Data: https://www.soundonsound....pure-data-introduction
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
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as it is, we're unlikely to find out what really happened over the last 10 years or so, but i think greg saw the writing on the wall and sold up while he still could, and since then it's been a try this/try that strategy
/fwiw
The problem is that we are moving into a monotone homogeneous future, propelled by the consolidation of power made possible through technology. Winner takes all, and there is less and less left over for the runner ups. We get less variety, not more. In other words there was little that could be made differently to make a difference this way or that. What will be interesting to see is how BandLab and Meng will be able to do in this environment. For different reasons I have more faith in what he and BandLab will be able to achieve, than what Roland and Gibson managed.
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
2018/06/30 18:51:38
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It would be nice to hear what Bandlab and Meng have to say about adding a Chord Track / Arrangement Track like Studio one 4 has or if it can even be add to cakewalk....hummmm
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Re: Is there going to be anything new and exciting for Cakewalk???
2018/06/30 20:03:35
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I only ever bought Sonar from Cakewalk. No, I lie! Back in 2010 I bought Dimension LE, but that is now included with CbB (as it was with Sonar X3). I have to say I'm still curious though. When are we going to find out the next step in this acquisition regarding products other than the DAW?  John B.
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