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2018/04/19 23:00:48 (permalink)

Is there life out there, or are we alone

Was listening to an interview with a scientist working on the SETI project trying to find extraterrestrial life outside our planet. He was beginning to lose faith and starting to think that there is nothing else out there. Based on no verified visits, no background noise detectable, but primarily the unique environment of our Earth.
 
He conceded that there are billions of stars, many with planets, but the chance of having a perfect Earth environment is rare to non existent. Just the right balance of water and oxygen, atmospheric pressure, energy from the sun to create and support life.
This ecosphere may not be duplicated anywhere in the heavens. We may well be alone as the only living beings in the universe.
 
I had a Coffee House moment and imagined somewhere a hundred light years away where a scientist is struggling with the same question. Comes back from a lunch break to analyze the new data coming in from the Earth probe. Finished a satisfying meal of silicon epoxide patties smothered in hydrogen sulfide sauce. Brews up a warm cup of ammonia and starts to crunch the data.
The results are dismal. Planet Earth is a raging inferno where even the rare compound ice is melted into molten seas covering a majority of the planet. The heat so extreme that the liquified water is vaporized into clouds that constantly pour onto the planet surface in corrosive rains.
 
The atmosphere is deadly with lethal amounts of the toxic element oxygen.
 
There is however a trace of methane in the atmosphere. Methane, the cardinal necessity for life to form and evolve. The surface of Earth is too scalding hot to support liquid methane, but perhaps in the ancient past, conditions were cold enough to allow lakes and rivers of liquid methane. Earth is now a flaming inferno impossible of supporting life, but at one time, maybe rudimentary bacterial forms could have existed. The evolution of intelligent life on Earth is impossible.
 
Sometimes when watching FOX News, I doubt that intelligent life exists on planet Earth.
 
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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/20 00:43:52 (permalink)
Sounds like the start of a good sci-fi novel - or at least a short story.....

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/20 01:17:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby michaelhanson 2018/04/20 17:36:00
Have faith brother!  

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/20 01:18:34 (permalink)
Dude.......   there is other intelligent life somewhere out there.   If, "Flying at the speed of light," was easy, we would meet intelligent species from other worlds.   Every planet like, "a perfect earth," is far away - farther than anything we can fathom

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/20 01:39:09 (permalink)
What are the odds we exist at the same time?  With billions of years to work with..humans have only existed 5 million of it.  All that time for other life forms to rise and fall, maybe a hundred times over, all over the universe, and still not happen to exist at the same time humans on earth do.  
 
Everything on earth is limited to this basic set of senses to detect reality with. We already know we aren't detecting the true nature of anything.  A dog sees a red car completely differently than a human does, and neither of us are wrong, nor right.  Neither of us know the true nature of the car and all the ways it actually exists in reality.  We only know what our senses can tell us, the way they translate for our physiology.  
 
So how do we know we aren't surrounded by "alien" life?  How do we know the universe as we see it only looks the way it does to us?  Other beings could exist and occupy reality in a completely different way, detecting the universe entirely differently than we do and we can't impact each other in any possible way.  
 
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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/20 08:04:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jude77 2018/05/07 15:38:48
The best demonstration of the universal time scale I've seen was:
The person threw a spoonfull of bread crumbs into a candle flame. They all flashed and burned nicely.
"But which ones of the crumbs burned simultaneously? It's surely a fact there has been, there is or there will be other planets with life on them, but are there any existing on this particular universal second?"

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/20 13:23:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jude77 2018/05/07 15:39:03
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The best demonstration of the universal time scale I've seen was:
The person threw a spoonfull of bread crumbs into a candle flame. They all flashed and burned nicely.
"But which ones of the crumbs burned simultaneously? It's surely a fact there has been, there is or there will be other planets with life on them, but are there any existing on this particular universal second?"




That reminds me of when I was a kiddo I would imagine that, say, the dirt under my fingernails was a micro civilization of intelligent life in which a minute for me was like a 100,000 years to them, and when I clean my nails I was wiping out their universe that appeared as a cosmic natural disaster for them.  I was a funky little kid. 

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/20 13:55:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Voda La Void 2018/04/20 14:44:18
 



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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/20 16:47:29 (permalink)
Like the sands of time, each of us is a small grain in the fabric of time/space and sometimes we go back to our roots..............or try.
 

 
 

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/20 17:32:27 (permalink)
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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/20 23:58:17 (permalink)
...or the scientist on that planet adjusting the thermostat on the wall to a comfortable 9,000 degrees longing for Summer (just around the corner...300 Earth years) when he can open the window to take a deep breath of fresh vaporized iron...Depressed with the new atmospheric data from the little third planet in the Sol system...he had such high hopes for - Nothing but Nitrogen, Oxygen and -worst of all- lethal amounts of gaseous and liquid H2O...
 
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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/21 01:04:04 (permalink)
Rbecker,
 
Interesting perspective on the timeline of our lives that you bring up.
 
Mark Twain wrote a short story about a wise old bug counseling a newborn bug about the vast and long journey through life ahead, the experiences, the hardships. Advice from the old generation to the new generation in passing.
 
The bugs had a life span of one minute. The old bug was getting near the 60 second mark and trying to pass on wisdom to a fresh generation, about to embark on a new seemingly endless 60 second voyage toward infinity.
 
Life goes on in our local environment from milliseconds to thousands of years and toward conditional immortality if you include mushrooms.
 
Our three score and ten may be looked on as a flash in the pan by other life forms out there that live for thousands of years. No matter where we are, anything manifest must reconcile with the Reaper (not the DAW). It is not the quantity of time we have spent but the quality of time we have spent.
 
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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/21 07:46:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2018/05/07 15:35:30
No, It's all about getting cows to quit farting.

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/21 07:52:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Shambler 2018/04/26 11:21:51
Yea ...but what about the really BIG questions like which DAW has better limiters and EQ ?!?!?
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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/21 11:26:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jude77 2018/05/07 15:41:02
Of course there are other life forms from afar. They've been here, taken a look around, observed how the average human behaves and marvelled at the fact that somehow we have devised a system of running the place where all the people in charge are really the very last people that should have been in charge and moved on. Can't really blame them.
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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/21 14:59:50 (permalink)
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Rbecker,
 
Interesting perspective on the timeline of our lives that you bring up.
 
Mark Twain wrote a short story...[snip]
 
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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/21 16:41:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby eph221 2018/04/29 18:16:44
I Am evidence of alternate life forms in the juaniverse.
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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/25 18:10:05 (permalink)
Quantum Endanglement? I think it has something to do with things that dangle and might explain some of this. There is intelligence behind endanglement....I think.
 
Things that dangle get entangled with other dangles...know what I mean? They call that  Quantum Entanglement.
 
Gee the spell checker doesn't even know these words.

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/25 19:02:28 (permalink)
For a moment, I thought you were talking about an iLok dongle.....
 
  

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/26 17:59:03 (permalink)
I suppose there is possibility that dongles and dangles get mixed. I wouldn't know. I'm not a scientist but I could probably play one on TV.

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/27 23:04:14 (permalink)
If you would have asked if there was intelligent life out there we could have wrapped this up in just a few responses.

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/29 05:37:40 (permalink)
Time goes slower when we're moving according to einshtein.  Starise, keep on moving buddy, you're not getting any younger.

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/29 14:02:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby eph221 2018/04/29 18:17:12
Aliens do exist and they're on Earth.
They're called cats.

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Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it might be my neighbors. They are just Amish on the outside for  cover. Clever huh? They probably keep the saucer in the barn.

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/04/30 21:56:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby DrLumen 2018/05/01 03:51:27
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Aliens do exist and they're on Earth.
They're called cats.



Ah yes - Mr. Gary Seven and Isis


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Aliens do exist and they're on Earth.
They're called cats.



Ah yes - Mr. Gary Seven and Isis





Saw that episode last week. 

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Aliens do exist and they're on Earth.
They're called cats.



Ah yes - Mr. Gary Seven and Isis





Saw that episode last week. 


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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/05/04 16:33:25 (permalink)
So most *smart* people think it foolish and arrogant to think we're the only self-reflective life forms in the universe. But, the cosmos is 14 billion years old. What IF we truly are the most advanced evolutionary life forms? What IF we are the first ones? 

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/05/05 07:08:03 (permalink)
We are the center of the universe, everything revolves around us ... including the sun and the moon. 
That's just a simple axiomatic fact :)
 

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Re: Is there life out there, or are we alone 2018/05/05 18:00:13 (permalink)
It's interesting to contemplate.  Most people gravitate towards either evolution or creation.  What if it's both and we're the first.  It's an awesome responsibility.  

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