Is this correct workflow?

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2011/10/01 11:08:16 (permalink)

Is this correct workflow?

Is this the correct workflow for arranging MIDI performance?

1. I download MIDI file from the Web. It has 8 instrument parts.
2. I open the downloaded MIDI file from within Sonar X1.
3. I add a new synth: Dimension Pro 64 and choose an instrument.
4. I copy the MIDI part (all events) from track 1.
5. I paste the MIDI part onto the new Dimension Pro 64 track.
6. I delete the MIDI part (track 1).
7. I repeat this action for the remainder of the parts.
8. When finished, I can hear all the new instruments just fine.
9. I save the arrangement under a new SAVE AS title. As a precaution, I also save it as a template.

Days later when I open the file, everything seems fine, but I can't hear anything. I see the track meters moving, but nothing in my speakers. I play with audio and driver settings and still nothing. Conclusion: my workflow is flawed. What is it I'm doing wrong? Furthermore, what is the workflow for assigning audio channels to each new track I've created? Arg. This kind of stuff doesn't seem to be covered in video training or books.

Platform: Windows 7; 8 Gbs RAM; Twin Nvidia 590's; No MIDI instrument as of yet.

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    Re:Is this correct workflow? 2011/10/01 11:42:38 (permalink)
    that's way too much difficulty!

    try this:
    1. download MIDI file
    2. import MIDI file into sonar   
    3. add a new synth: dimpro; in the dialog box UNCHECK SIMPLE INSTRUMENT, CHECK ALL STEREO OUTPUTS, SYNTH TRACK FOLDER (OPTIONAL, but I think it helps organization), SYNTH PROPERTY PAGE
    4. set output of MIDI track 1 to DIMPRO
    5. add a new synth: dimpro with same options
    6. set output of MIDI track 2 to DIMPRO 1
    7. REPEAT AS NECESSARY.

    why are you saving as a template?  this is a project.  a template is something you want to open as a normal type of file for future projects.  you shouldn't want MIDI data in a template.  save it as a CWP.

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    Re:Is this correct workflow? 2011/10/01 11:45:25 (permalink)
    I would not delete the midi files.... put them all in different tracks. Then assign them each to a synth...if your computer can handle 8 synths running.... 

    As to why you can't hear them.... simple things often occur. Check the volume level on master and mains.  (That one gets me a lot) 

    But.... I think your problem lies elsewhere....

    Did you BOUNCE the midi synth output to an audio track? Midi is not music and unless you bounce the audio to a track or freeze the synth.... there will be no sound. In the steps you listed, I never saw where you bounced AUDIO... everything you did was with the midi. 

    Once you get the synth output bounced to audio, simply go back and ARCHIVE the synth track.... and move it to the bottom of the console or hide it and it's associated midi track in case you need them again. Work with the new audio track for further editing.

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    Re:Is this correct workflow? 2011/10/01 11:54:47 (permalink)
    Your workflow is fine; as suggested, you could just insert all the Dim Pro Instances at once, having SONAR create only the First Audio Output for each, and then re-assign the output of each MIDI track to one of the audio outputs, and then combine the MIDI and Audio track pairs into Simple Instruments, but it probably wouldn't ultimately be any more efficient.

    The lost audio may be due to a change in output assignments, or maybe a MIDI buffering problem. Check your "Prepare Using" buffer under Preferences > MIDI > Playback and Recording. Try 500ms, and increase in increments of 100 up to a 1000 until the problem goes away.

    Also make sure the Dim Pro instances are all pointing to a Master bus, and that Master bus points to the Main Outs on your audio interface.

    You don't have to worry about channels when you have a separate synth dedicated to each MIDI track. They're effectively separate MIDI Out ports, each with its own own set of 16 channels. The MIDI tracks will have different channel information embedded in the events themselves, but since Dim Pro is not multi-timbral, it will respond to whatever it receives.

    If the problem persists, try inserting a single instance of TTS-1, and assigning all the tracks to it.


    The lost audio with Dim Pro could also be due to some controller events in the MIDI tracks that are restting some parameter in Dim Pro that makes it silent. I recall one case in which the MIDI track included Control Change messages that made the Attack of the patch so long that it was effectively silent. Check each track in the Event View, and look up the CC numbers to know what they're doing (e.g. CC1 = Modulation, CC7 = Volume, CC10 = Pan, CC11 = Expression, which works within the range set by CC7). There may also be RPN/NRPN messages that set bend range and things like that.

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