jimmypop13
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Is this how I would add a MIDI orchestra to sonar?
Hi, I have sonar x1b and ewql symphonic orchestra. If I wanted to enter say 32 instruments, how would I do that? Would I insert the soft synth twice, plus insert 32 midi tracks, and assign the first 16 midi track to the first copy of the soft synth and the second 16 midi tracks to the second copy of the soft synth? I'm a noob and I noticed the ewql Play soft synth only could assign 16 midi tracks in it, that's why I'm wondering. I didn't know if you assigned something to channel 1 in one soft synth, if the same track would activate channel 1 in every soft synth Thanks! -Chris
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Is this how I would add a MIDI orchestra to sonar?
2011/04/01 15:53:01
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I know that some synths are capable of multi outs...like TTS..... one instance of it (TTS) and you can go in and insert 16 different patches and get 16 things playing from 16 different midi source tracks. The version of most of my other synths including EWQL are single instance with one source track..... so I have to insert a new synth for each thing I want to do with them.... I don't do symphonic things so that has not been a problem. And I don't have the gold/platinum versions of the synths so IDK if they are mutli-timbral synths or not. OOPs... to answer the OP question. Yes, that's how you do it, assuming EWQL is multi-timbral. You simply assign the outputs of the first 16 midi tracks to the channel inputs on the 1st instance of the synth. same thing for instance 2. each midi track to a different channel on the synth. compose the midi source and you're good to go.
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jimmypop13
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Re:Is this how I would add a MIDI orchestra to sonar?
2011/04/01 17:16:06
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Sweet thanks. I'm setting it up now. I've got 40 tracks and it's taking forever to assign everything. Ugh
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Re:Is this how I would add a MIDI orchestra to sonar?
2011/04/01 18:47:18
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Hey, if it was easy everybody would do it!
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Re:Is this how I would add a MIDI orchestra to sonar?
2011/04/02 21:32:04
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Once you have things set up the way you like them, save them as Track Templates to save yourself from having to do this all again.
You might want to do one template for strings, one for woodwinds, etc.
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Re:Is this how I would add a MIDI orchestra to sonar?
2011/04/03 20:21:11
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You have bitten off a big project... if the setup is tedious, wait until you are tracking and mixing it!
Good luck.
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Philip
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Re:Is this how I would add a MIDI orchestra to sonar?
2011/04/04 10:36:38
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With EWQLSO (Gold) (aka, the fewer mics the better), consider ... for 32 instruments: Consider this as my personal experience only with EWQL ... I may be completely wrong ... considering your specific goals. 1) Your computer: a) CPU should probably be an i7 b) running Sonar in 64bit (under 64bit windows 7) c) a separate SSD hard drive for your EWQL libraries ... for 'reasonable' streaming of EWQLSO samples (32 instruments!) ... SSDs are about $150 and up. 2) You may want to categorize 4-5 instances of EWQLSO (e.g.) and take it from there: a) basses b) vio - strings c) trumps d) cello e) percussives 3) Consider using the 'tried-and-proven' keyswitch method for most of these categories ... rather than attempting 32 instruments. ... While some have succeeded using 32 instruments (like Jose and/or Rolifer) ... this is not for the faint of heart or faint-of-computer resources. 4) Do not make committed templates nor projects without gradually 'discovering your CPU limits' and latency. IOWS, consider doing just 10 instruments at a time ... and bounce them 1st (like your groove or dominant element) 5) Use a separate reverb send (like Lexicon or Perfect space) and forget all the default EWQL reverbs. Hope this helps.
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Re:Is this how I would add a MIDI orchestra to sonar?
2011/04/04 22:19:35
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You'll want separate tracks for each instrument. (I mean, one for the violins, 1 for 2nd violins, etc. Like Philip said, you can change those to staccato, etc., with keyswitches within one track). I've recently started using simple instrument tracks and it's so much less cluttered. It also saves having to bounce to audio. I suppose after awhile, many tracks would bog down your system. My template currently has 15 instances of EWQL (Platinum), 1 of Ivory and 1 of EZD (yes, I do small orchestrations cause that's all my brain can handle now). Yes, it does take awhile to set up, but like has been mentioned, make it your template and you're ready to go any time. You may continue tweaking that template, but at least you don't have to start over every time. You can even have all your sends and eq's, etc. on that template.
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Philip
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Re:Is this how I would add a MIDI orchestra to sonar?
2011/04/06 14:29:51
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Janet,
15 instances of Platinum (2 mics each) ... that sounds like an aweful lot of streaming (with or without the synths being connected in the synth rack). Booting 15 instances of EWQL into RAM would seem to take up precious time and resources.
Personally, I'd keep the templates down to 5 instances of Gold or Platinum, albeit they are all keyswitching with perhaps 5-10 instruments going on in each.
Jose, IIRC, spoke of a friend having over 20 instances of EWQL. My work flow would seem poorer ... despite my 'power comp system'.
BTW, what is your opinion of Platinum (near mics) vs. Gold (stage mics).
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Re:Is this how I would add a MIDI orchestra to sonar?
2011/04/06 15:10:36
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Philip, I usually just use stage mics. Especially when just composing. In one project, I remember it took up to 30 seconds (or more) to save, which I do quite often, so that was annoying. But I haven't had that problem since. I just do it that way (separate instrument on each track) because Ron told me to. And it works. ;)
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