Isn't it about time for X2b ?

Paul P


Given all the discussion on Take Lanes, I expect there will be some changes to them in the next patch.

So I'm going to wait for the patch before spending any effort learning about them.

I've often wondered how our book and video tutorial authors go about teaching a function that is still in development.
It must require some fancy footwork, and perhaps a prayer or two :-)

Or perhaps a non-disclosure agreeement. 

pbognar : "Or perhaps a non-disclosure agreeement."

Ah! This would imply release of X2b in the next two days, seeing as how Scott's book goes on sale on April 3rd :-)

[27$ on Amazon, a steal]

Paul P

seeing as how Scott's book goes on sale on April 3rd :-)

[27$ on Amazon, a steal]

Thanks, Paul! The book is almost here. Can't wait!


Scott

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I think there's still more bugs to find in X2a. In fact, I just found another one that hits me every time when I click the Automation Lanes button to collapse the Automation Lanes. It seems to only occur when using Track Folders, but it will collapse all the folders when clicked. I dunno.

I base my expectation more on the fact that X1b was released in March than on any great need for fixes at my end.

I thought X2 might follow a similar rollout scheme to X1.

And I have heard the odd complaint here and there regarding take lanes, or at least the desire for some improvements.

daveny5


X2B or not X2B. That is the question!

Shakespear or X2B,that is the question.


Seriously though,as soon as I stopped using that N.I.KA6 buss powered interface,but now a VS-100,everything is super stable[though "lowest" latency,round trip is 9.1ms, good enough?],so I don't mind waiting a lil bit,but yeah I would have thought X2B,would be out by now too.=/
Bob

Charlie Roy

chuckebaby

bobguitkillerleft Bob

only 2 weeks ago you were recommending this interface to everyone (your N.I.KA6 buss powered interface) saying it was great, and the vs100 is being discontinued for a good reason because its latency was unacceptable.
so to all those you suggested the N.I.KA6 buss powered interface, is that not a good set up ?
 
remember us having that discussion ?

Yes I do,and if you go to that VS latency[or discontinued thread?] I have apologized for being too hasty in my decision,and now love the VS!,also I never said I thought it was discontinued....that was the title of the thread.


The N.I.KA6 does get lower latency,but it lost it's connection too often,and something to do with "it" in general was making X2 crash[due to the fact,that X2 no longer crashes,with the VS.]


I'm fairly sure,that even if you download the Win7 64 bit driver,it's still possible,to bugger up the setup,as there is a "setup" choice,at every step along the way,of opening the driver .zip.


I reckon I must have done this,for example,you can choose setup,before you even get to "Win7",and more importantly,before you get to"64 bit",which I must have done,those first times,as now it[VS-100] is working much better!


I hope that clears up my,sometimes "too quick to conclude" misgivings?
Sincerely
Bob


EDIT: Apparently the hot "low round trip latency",Bus powered,NEW TECH,interface,is Steinbergs brand new UR22.

This is info,coming from DAW guru "Scott @ ADK".....I'm not sure about the other Steinberg USB models,but supposedly this LATEST offering the "UR22" is pretty amazing.

bobguitkillerleft

Charlie Roy

chuckebaby

bobguitkillerleft Bob

only 2 weeks ago you were recommending this interface to everyone (your N.I.KA6 buss powered interface) saying it was great, and the vs100 is being discontinued for a good reason because its latency was unacceptable.
so to all those you suggested the N.I.KA6 buss powered interface, is that not a good set up ?

remember us having that discussion ?

Yes I do,and if you go to that VS latency[or discontinued thread?] I have apologized for being too hasty in my decision,and now love the VS!,also I never said I thought it was discontinued....that was the title of the thread.


The N.I.KA6 does get lower latency,but it lost it's connection too often,and something to do with "it" in general was making X2 crash[due to the fact,that X2 no longer crashes,with the VS.]


I'm fairly sure,that even if you download the Win7 64 bit driver,it's still possible,to bugger up the setup,as there is a "setup" choice,at every step along the way,of opening the driver .zip.


I reckon I must have done this,for example,you can choose setup,before you even get to "Win7",and more importantly,before you get to"64 bit",which I must have done,those first times,as now it[VS-100] is working much better!


I hope that clears up my,sometimes "too quick to conclude" misgivings?
Sincerely
Bob


EDIT: Apparently the hot "low round trip latency",Bus powered,NEW TECH,interface,is Steinbergs brand new UR22.

This is info,coming from DAW guru "Scott @ ADK".....I'm not sure about the other Steinberg USB models,but supposedly this LATEST offering the "UR22" is pretty amazing.

bob, I respect your honestly  :)
not always easy manning up, but you did.
that takes guts.
 
nice job man.

DigitalBoston


SO MUCH FOR LANE CHANGES.its a baby fix that would please the masses??
i hope they bring some options with video since Adobe is semi compatable with x2 it would be good to see it used linked with sonar.

I like that idea,
ive always kinda not been for video enhancements, because I think sonar is a daw (although, i must admit, it would be cool)
but having improved options to link adobe with sonar,(or maybe even something like vegas) that's a great idea.

I hope they put it through the wringer this time. X2a has some seriously easy-to-find bugs. Most of them cosmetic, but should have been caught, me thinks. With every release thus far, I've lost more and more trust in the QA testers at Cakewalk--Or the money-holders, if the QA peeps asked for help. I have a VERY strong feeling X2b will be a serious let-down, delving into improvements that don't have anything to do with gripes in the forum, and listing bugs that are way obscure. That's just my gut-feeling, based on past updates from X1.  Yes, I'm a little ill about all this. Sonar kicks serious butt, but it only takes a few minor bugs to bring all that power crashing down to the ground to the users.

Muziekschuur at home


What is NOT working in X2A? X2A was an amazing update and a great gift to us Cakewalk Sonar customers. As we we are now able to use touch screens. Where that functionality was not there in X2 and not really asked for. We got an awesome bonus and means X2 is quite future proof... So I am not quite grasping where the X2B is needed for?

I think you may just be one of the fortunate ones that hasn't run into any problems, or probably utilize the power of X2 in other areas more than users like me. If you peruse the forum, you can quickly find people having issues that go unexplained, and the worst thing about many of these issues is that a majority of them aren't always reproduce-able. This means that the bug-submission form Cakewalk requires doesn't really encompass bugs that people find and can't recall the steps, or can't get it to happen again while trying to reproduce such issues.

Like I said, Sonar is VERY powerful in all it can do, and looking at the competition, it still wins me over, even though there's features in others I'd pay money for if they could be brought into Sonar. But all that power quickly is foreshadowed when you run into bugs or issues that Support can't work out or that you can't reliably reproduce.

X2 feels like a solid DAW, but with some new code that drops the ball fast when it breaks. I fear this is exactly what X2b will be like: more features, and less bug fixes. I also fear Take Lanes won't get much love from the bakers, either. But I don't know. They don't indicate anything either way until the next update comes out and I read the "fixed" portion of the Readme. I'm nearly always disappointed by what wasn't addressed. 

brconflict

Muziekschuur at home


What is NOT working in X2A? X2A was an amazing update and a great gift to us Cakewalk Sonar customers. As we we are now able to use touch screens. Where that functionality was not there in X2 and not really asked for. We got an awesome bonus and means X2 is quite future proof... So I am not quite grasping where the X2B is needed for?

I think you may just be one of the fortunate ones that hasn't run into any problems, or probably utilize the power of X2 in other areas more than users like me. If you peruse the forum, you can quickly find people having issues that go unexplained, and the worst thing about many of these issues is that a majority of them aren't always reproduce-able. This means that the bug-submission form Cakewalk requires doesn't really encompass bugs that people find and can't recall the steps, or can't get it to happen again while trying to reproduce such issues.

Like I said, Sonar is VERY powerful in all it can do, and looking at the competition, it still wins me over, even though there's features in others I'd pay money for if they could be brought into Sonar. But all that power quickly is foreshadowed when you run into bugs or issues that Support can't work out or that you can't reliably reproduce.

X2 feels like a solid DAW, but with some new code that drops the ball fast when it breaks. I fear this is exactly what X2b will be like: more features, and less bug fixes. I also fear Take Lanes won't get much love from the bakers, either. But I don't know. They don't indicate anything either way until the next update comes out and I read the "fixed" portion of the Readme. I'm nearly always disappointed by what wasn't addressed. 

+1

I'm still on Windows 7 (now 64-bit), but X1d seems to perform better for me than X2a, except for the transport, which still performs poorly in both. 

LJB, if you haven't applied the X2A patch that will keep happening. I had the same problem, X2A fixed all that. Actually the hotifix took care of it first.

fooman


X2a was a pretty darn good update, not cause of touch-screen in my opinion, but for the bug fixes.
X2 is fairly quick compared to X1 after the update to X2a.  X2 had a lot of little bugs that forced me back to X1.  X2a allows me to mix without many bugs.  And all of the bugs I do see are all pretty much one of two plugins that aren't playing nice with X2 (Voxengo or Steven Slate VCC).

I still don't track in X2 due to take lanes.  I also refuse to edit anything in it if it requires intense editing because I can't get the hang of take lanes.  There are one or two main issues that stop me from using them altogether.  So I basically stick with X2 for pure mixing because it feels smoother.

Fix take lanes (or take a look at a much-requested 'rebuild' ability) and I'll be a happy camper for sure.
I don't need new features.  I don't think anyone here really does as seen by a lot of the threads.

If you don't track in X2 due to take lanes, then "Houston, we have a problem".


I would seek out the help of the experts on the forum.  Perhaps there is a configuration issue, or just something which you could approach from a different angle.


The first thing I would expect to be able to do in a DAW application is track.