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2013/11/30 10:48:50 (permalink)

Issues with Control Surfaces in Sonar X3

Hi guys I just recently installed Sonar X3 to my system and have noticed a couple things missing, even though I have both X1 and X2 previously installed on my system I can no longer use the Pentagon plugin, also I can no longer use my midi controller? I have gone through all the steps several times within the prefferences under control surfaces, but even though I can select my midi controller it wont allow me to use it, the boxes remain unticked in the options and I cannot adjust this?  I have hunted google high and low, I have browsed these forums, I have read through manuels and browsed my Sonar text book but I still cant find an answer, Im guessing this is going to be something really simple which is whats so frustrating : /  Anyways if any of you guys have any clue whatsoever as how to trouble shoot these problems I am all ears.  
Just so you know, Im running a custom 6core rig with 16 gigs of ram, I upgraded to X3 the same day I upgraded my operating system to Windows 8.1, I also have both X2 and X1 on my system.
Thank you for reading this and taking time out to help, its much appreciated.  Juddz
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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 10:51:59 (permalink)
run x3 as administrator to launch pentagon.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 10:53:05 (permalink)
> run x3 as administrator to launch pentagon.
 
Good idea.
 
Also..
 
Upgrade your drivers and firmware for all connected devices related to your DAW, and rename your AUD.INI and see what happens.
Otherwise perhaps some screenshots may help...
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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 13:45:54 (permalink)
Thanx guys running Sonar as administrator took care of my Pentagon problem but I'm still no closer to getting my midi controller running : / I have unistalled/re installed and updated all of my drivers but still getting the same result? I'm using an SL MkII midi controller, in the prefferences under devices I have both input and ouput ticked on Automap Midi and SL MkII
I would upload a couple pics of how I have my controller set but I really have no clue how to do this?
Thanx 4 your help guys. Juddz.
 

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 13:49:26 (permalink)
What about renaming your AUD.INI? Cheers...
Check out windows snipping tool and upload to http://tinypic.com/ and insert the URL created into a forum post.

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 13:55:28 (permalink)
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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 14:00:18 (permalink)
Getting my AlphaTrack Controller to work involves...
 
Open preferences and midi and checking the boxes for the midi ins and outs.
Then under controllers add the device and set the ins and outs to the midi device.
 
I'm sure you've tried this, but these 2 steps are key.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 14:01:04 (permalink)
 

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 14:04:58 (permalink)
Not sure if that uploaded my pics or not? I used ImageShack.
Thanx Alex will try that now.
Yes gswitz everytime I setup my external devices, unfortunatly it wont allow me to tick the boxes thisctime? Gunna give what Alex suggested ago : )
Thanx again.
 

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 14:07:11 (permalink)
Sorry I'm just seeing two empty images. with post #8.

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 14:32:56 (permalink)

 

 
Hopefully these links will show you my pics.
I'm currently trying to access aud.ini through prefferences....

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 14:35:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Judder 2013/11/30 15:12:21
Still can't see the images sorry.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/How-do-I-resetdelete-AUDINI-m2012466.aspx - You need to quit Sonar first.

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 14:39:39 (permalink)
 
 
 

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 14:50:11 (permalink)
Interesting. Is that the correct controller/surface type for your controller?
 
Have you tried using one of the generic devices?
 
Basically I don't know how to be helpful. This is not how it works when I set up my Alpha Track. It looks like you're doing things correctly.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 15:10:47 (permalink)
Unfortunatly Alex it didnt work, I managed to locate the file and change the name, I restated the computer etc.. nothing, I still cant access my controller, I'm out of ideas with this one : /
 
Hey gswitz yeah thats how I set up my controller, the Automap universal comes with the SL MkII drivers
This setup ran smoothly with X2 and X1? 
Thanx guys. Juddz.

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 15:22:48 (permalink)
It works on X2 on the same PC?

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 15:45:02 (permalink)
It did until I upgraded to windows 8.1 and Sonar X3 : /

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 16:07:04 (permalink)
So to be clear the only issue you have now is with SL MKII.
And you are using this:
http://uk.novationmusic.c...t-downloads?product=SL MkII#Software
And it is fine playing it as a keyboard but you can't use it as a controller?

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 16:26:44 (permalink)
Do you still have X2 installed? If it doesn't currently work in X2 on the same machine, can you report to the company and see if they need to create a new driver? Or perhaps re-install the driver?

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 16:59:51 (permalink)
Thats correct, the only time I can get the SL MkII to work now is if I use it under Act Midi Controller instead of Novation Automap Universal, but now the audio is distorted and I have latency between pressing the keys and hearing any sound.
Just to be clear my midi controller worked on both X2 and X1 but since I upgraded my operating system to 8.1 and my software to X3 I can no longer get my controller to work on any of my Sonar daws?
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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 17:28:38 (permalink)
Sounds like you are coming in via USB and using default usb driver for midi. I wonder if you found the device in device manager if you could specify the driver for it. Do you know what I'm talking about when I say device manager?

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 18:39:04 (permalink)
Ooo are you plugged into a usb 3 port? That would prevent you from using the driver and push you to class compliant usb midi. Make sure your device is plugged into a usb 2 port.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/11/30 19:12:01 (permalink)
Wasn't exactly clear about what you wrote, could you be totally clear about the specific behaviour for the Act driver and the Novation driver? i.e. what exactly works, and what exactly what works, and which driver is having the distortion issues. Thanks.
 
Agree with gswitz's last three posts. Does it still work with X2? Definitely looking more and more like dodgy driver.
 
NB So here are the novation 2.3 drivers: http://uk.novationmusic.com/support/product-downloads?product=SL+MkII
 
Here is a Novation beta drivers. http://beta.novationmusic...es/novation_usb_audio/
 
No idea where 2.4 disappeared to. Might be worth emailing them and giving them a link to this thread after trying this. I am confused about what the stable driver is and the what is the latest beta driver (get links I suggest).

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/12/01 09:50:35 (permalink)
Hey guys still no luck, yeah that was the drivers I already had Alex, Ive intalled them uninstalled them, reverted back to a previouse driver etc  but still no luck, @ gswitz yeah all my usb's are connected to 2.0's, these are the kinda things I would trouble shoot from the beginning.
This is whats so frustrating about this problem I know its going to be something really simple.
Need to get this dealt with soon as poss as im starting to fall behind on projects that have deadlines.
 
Sorry for not being clear enough Alex, the Act Midi Controller allowes me to use my SL MkII unfortunatly its distorted as sh#t and has lag between key press and sound.
But the Novation Automap Universal is what I should be using with my SL MkII.
I'm looking in three different directions right now with this problem, Sonar X3, Windows 8.1 and Novation drivers/Automap, Just cant figure what is responsible?  : /
 
Thanx again guys for taking time out of your day to try and help, its much appreciated.  Juddz.

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Re: sonar X3 Headache!! 2013/12/01 10:22:04 (permalink)
Yup give them an email, point them to this thread, tech support is normally pretty good... Might be a week before you get this resolved however. BTW could you change the title of this post please to the specifics?
 
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