It could be worse: Sonar.NET

With the release of X1, sonar has moved from a pro sequencer to a toy sequencer that appeals to noobs. Cakewalk looked at the market and became envious of the marketshare fruityloops, reason, and ableton enjoy and X1 aims to appeal to that market.

The pro audio guys don't like X1 because it makes their work more tedious with added menus, added clicks to do the same job. X1 is not easier to use than sonar 8.5, it's just dumbed down and that's not the same thing.

But guys, it could be worse: Sonar.NET. That stinker from microsoft that hogs RAM, causes crashes and consumes resources like a pig on steroids. The reason I bring this up is because that's where sonar is headed next. There are countless apps that have already made the journey from win32 to ms ribbon to dotNET, and sonar is going there too. If you think sonar is headed in the wrong direction now, just wait until they make it a dotNET app, then you'll really have reason to ****.

thegeek


Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.....

And threads like this are responsible for:
1. the users who seriously have problems with X1 and their posts cant be found with all the noise
2. the users who really have X1 work perfectly for them and their posts cant be found with all the noise

If I were a mod I would "lock" such threads.

You could just ignore the threads and posts that you don't like.

10Ten

thegeek


Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.....

And threads like this are responsible for:
1. the users who seriously have problems with X1 and their posts cant be found with all the noise
2. the users who really have X1 work perfectly for them and their posts cant be found with all the noise

If I were a mod I would "lock" such threads.

You could just ignore the threads and posts that you don't like.

Although I would generally agree with that advise, I am also old school enough to believe in checking whether there is already a thread dealing with  the same or a similar topic before posting. I think we can agree that there are MANY threads where this post could have been added. This thread is just more useless clutter.

UnderTow

piano88


With the release of X1, sonar has moved from a pro sequencer to a toy sequencer that appeals to noobs. Cakewalk looked at the market and became envious of the marketshare fruityloops, reason, and ableton enjoy and X1 aims to appeal to that market.

The pro audio guys don't like X1 because it makes their work more tedious with added menus, added clicks to do the same job. X1 is not easier to use than sonar 8.5, it's just dumbed down and that's not the same thing.

But guys, it could be worse: Sonar.NET. That stinker from microsoft that hogs RAM, causes crashes and consumes resources like a pig on steroids. The reason I bring this up is because that's where sonar is headed next. There are countless apps that have already made the journey from win32 to ms ribbon to dotNET, and sonar is going there too. If you think sonar is headed in the wrong direction now, just wait until they make it a dotNET app, then you'll really have reason to ****.

There were certainly some unfortunate design decisions that can possibly hinder workflow in comparison to 8.5, but X1 also takes several critical steps forward.

To call it a toy is a bit absurd to my mind, and I don't see any reason for the rest of your conclusions and assumptions.

Sonar X1 looks professional enough to me - in contrast to more and more toy threads in this forum ...

Another one of the (beeeep) threads?

A bit overly simplistic and harsh in it's delivery ...... but YES, I would agree it is very obvious that Cakewalk has started "chasing after" the recent success of Presonus Studio One and Reaper with the redesign of X1.

Simply take a LOOK at the XI interface, it is almost a "mirror image" and clone of Studio One ........... all the way down to the flat, mono chromatic simplistic look and even the default Pale Grey and Aqua Blue color scheme.

They are certainly trying to appeal and win over the users of these other DAW systems.

and YES, I will agree in a "side by side" comparison of screenshots, it is immediately clear that X1 looks much cheaper and "toy-like" than the more serious and professional appearance of 8.0-8.5

But ..... "under the hood", I don't see X1 has LOST and features.

It is more of an IMAGE thing.

But sometimes first impressions are the only chance you get to make an impression.

The first impression I got from seeing X1 was ............. "Ughhh, why did they make it look like one of the cheaper DAW packages out there on the market and take a step backwards to 1980's CGA style graphics" ?

But I am sure, once Cakewalk revisits some of the ideas they tried with this major new release and realizes some of the ideas may have been good in theory (but bad in execution) ...... they will fix the flaws and by the time we see X2 next year, they will have gotten back on track.

piano88


With the release of X1, sonar has moved from a pro sequencer to a toy sequencer that appeals to noobs. Cakewalk looked at the market and became envious of the marketshare fruityloops, reason, and ableton enjoy and X1 aims to appeal to that market.

The pro audio guys don't like X1 because it makes their work more tedious with added menus, added clicks to do the same job. X1 is not easier to use than sonar 8.5, it's just dumbed down and that's not the same thing.

But guys, it could be worse: Sonar.NET. That stinker from microsoft that hogs RAM, causes crashes and consumes resources like a pig on steroids. The reason I bring this up is because that's where sonar is headed next. There are countless apps that have already made the journey from win32 to ms ribbon to dotNET, and sonar is going there too. If you think sonar is headed in the wrong direction now, just wait until they make it a dotNET app, then you'll really have reason to ****.

piano88, that's just your opinion, and I suspect you haven't given X1 a chance. 


Here's my opinion: X1 is awesome. It is the best Sonar upgrade yet. The designers and developers put a lot of thought into it, and it shows.

Piano88 all you have accomplished here is give new members a bad name.

Sometimes when visiting a new forum its a good idea to take look around and see what is going on. Get to know the lay of the land and read more then a few threads.

Your first post here is not an auspicious beginning. 

 

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