It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY!

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2011/09/04 19:22:29 (permalink)

It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY!

My software synths have been telling me I’m short on memory & I’m a bit confused.
Here’s a list of what I’ve used on the last track…
 
8 audio tracks
 
Stylus – but just for a kick, a clap & a Snare
 
Kontakt 4 Player – New York Grand
 
Kontakt 4 Player – Garritan Orchestra – String Quartet
 
And that’s it. With this, Kontakt told me memory was too low & I would have to purge.
 
This surely can't be right?
 
My PC is relatively new. It’s an i5, 4 gig RAM, 3 X 750GB Caviar Blacks… with the OS on 1, the audio on 2, & the samples on 3. Audio is an RME400.
Oh, & I work at 48/24. And the buffers on the RME where set at 1024 when this happened. I was about to mix.
And last, but not least… it’s 8.5.3 on XP. Phew, I nearly always forget to put that!
 
This has happened with my BFD2 as well. I’ve started a track with it, frozen it. Added a few things to the track. Unfrozen BFD2 & it’s told me there’s not enough memory to load all the samples. Yet there’s hardly been anything else ‘software’ wise going on.
I thought this was the whole point about streaming – which is ‘on’ in BFD2 – that the whole sample doesn’t have to be loaded? I dunno.
 
Anyway, surely this can’t be normal… anyone? What am I doing wrong?  
 
Thanks…
 
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    daveny5
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    Re:It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY! 2011/09/04 23:28:57 (permalink)
    Are you running Windows 7 64-bit? If not, the 32-bit version can only access 3 GB of the memory and not the full 4 GB.

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    Re:It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY! 2011/09/05 00:01:01 (permalink)
    She say's it's Xp, so ya you should upgrade to windows 7 and add more memory 4 is sort of a min these days.

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    Re:It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY! 2011/09/05 01:05:08 (permalink)
    Oh c'mon guys, don't play that game with me.

    I know I've only got effectively 3gig of ram, & all the Win 7 stuff, but I've got some old Hardware of my fathers which I love - an S5000, an MPC60, & a Mini Moog with midi system - that are linked to my XP system. When we tried to get them with 7 it wasn't having any of it.

    Anyway, that's not the point. I believe my system should be coping easily with what I'm doing, so if someone could just read my original post & suggest where I might be going wrong or give me some tips I'd be truly grateful.

    Thanks...

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    Re:It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY! 2011/09/05 02:16:12 (permalink)
    Hi Nadine, One thing you could look for is a memory leak. That's where a program doesn't release the memory even after you've closed the program. I'd like to give you more detail, but I've only just started using Win 7 and my diagnostic experience with XP is somewhat limited. Another thing you can do is check your settings for each program you use. One of them may be hogging the memory. One way that you might be able to check--in XP 32 at least--if you hit CTL-ALT-Delete, it will bring up the Task Manager. Click on the "Processes" tab. You should be able to see a list of processes, which CPU the process is running on, and the Memory Usage. If you can decode which process belongs to which program, you'll be able to tell who the memory hog is. Good Luck, Jan

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    Re:It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY! 2011/09/05 02:18:50 (permalink)
    PS: Oh yeah, I'm using Firefox 6. All the formatting for my messages gets screwed up when I post. There were actually paragraphs in the message before I posted it. I hope you're able to read it.

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    Re:It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY! 2011/09/05 10:39:29 (permalink)
    Old55


    PS: Oh yeah, I'm using Firefox 6. All the formatting for my messages gets screwed up when I post. There were actually paragraphs in the message before I posted it. I hope you're able to read it.

    Nah, not a problem, Old55!
     
    Anyway, thanks for listening. Tried the task manager but it groups everything that Sonar's using under Sonar. So Sonar's CPU reading just gets bigger in Task Manager the more you add to it. 
    The thing is, with the problem I have with Kontakt (listed in post 1) the cpu levels are very low, not high. And same applies to the problem I had with BFD2 - very low cpu levels, but BFD telling me, when I unfreeze it, there isn't enough memory to load all the samples.
    These are different projects, too... Kontackt & BFD2 are not running together.
     
    I'm confused. I remember doing far more complicated stuff on my intel dual core & Sonar 7 than this, so something's up somewhere. I must have a setting wrong or something.
     
    Ideas?
     
    Please... anyone?
     
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    Re:It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY! 2011/09/05 11:41:22 (permalink)
    What setting do you have for your paging file?
    Check Task Manager performance tab to see how much memory is being used by other apps and look at the performance tab to see how much memory is free and how much is paged. 


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    Re:It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY! 2011/09/05 11:41:27 (permalink)
    Are you running BFD at 16bit or 24bit?

    I know of several BFD users - including me - who stream all thier BFD samples at 16bit and there is NO perceptible fall in audio quality, but you gain an enormous performance boost.

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    Re:It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY! 2011/09/05 18:57:13 (permalink)
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    What setting do you have for your paging file?
    Check Task Manager performance tab to see how much memory is being used by other apps and look at the performance tab to see how much memory is free and how much is paged. 
     
     
    Woah, this is weird. I did what both you & Bristol Jonesey suggested & it thru up a connection.
     
    I chose my problem BFD2 track. I removed a couple of the soft synths first so I could un-freeze the BFD2 successfully, ran the song then checked the paging file. It was 1.65 GB.
    So then I thought I'd try Jonesey's idea of running BFD2 16bit next, no problem. Checked the paging file... 1.00 GB. Not a bad saving.
    But I thought I'd change it back to 24bit just to reassure myself there was really no quality loss - no disrespect, Jonesey.
    When I did this, BFD2 immediately warned me that the memory was low!!!!
     
    Something's definitely up here, BFD2, as I wrote, had previously been running ok at 24bit.
    Is 1.65GB ludicrously high for XP? (check orig post for specs)
     
    Oh, I dunno... I'm spooked. Anymore thoughts?
     
    Thanks for help, Daveny
     
    Nadine XXX
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    post edited by Nadine - 2011/09/05 19:08:44
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    Nadine
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    Re:It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY! 2011/09/05 19:03:44 (permalink)
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    Are you running BFD at 16bit or 24bit?

    I know of several BFD users - including me - who stream all thier BFD samples at 16bit and there is NO perceptible fall in audio quality, but you gain an enormous performance boost.

    Yup, 16bit really matters ;-)! Thanks Jonesey. It showed up some other stuff, too. Could you please read my other post to Daveny?
     
    Taa muchly...
     
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    Re:It says I don't have enough... what was it, err, oh yeah, MEMORY! 2011/09/06 05:43:24 (permalink)
    My system struggles with running BFD in 24 bit mode, and I'm also on WinXP32.

    Long ago I was advised by one of the FXpansion mods to run it in 16 bit and I've never even bothered to re-visit the setting again, the 16 bit samples are of really pristine quality.

    Once you add Sonar + Windows + BFD, there's not much room left for anything else, but I do manage a couple of Dim Pros and quite a few Fx plugs before the system caves in.

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