bapu
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It seems I'm more educated than I are
According an online "quiz" that purports to know my education level.
It claims I have a degree higher than I actually have.
Does that mean I get a pay raise at work?
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/17 20:43:32
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bapu
According an online "quiz" that purports to know my education level.
It claims I have a degree higher than I actually have.
Does that mean I get a pay raise at work?
Sure ... why not? Your boss is an idiot to not pay you!
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/17 21:16:12
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I am afraid it just illustrates the generally acknowledged difference between knowledge and a degree. By custom, in the advanced Western societies and their better off ex-colonies, it is accepted that one should simply ignore whatever knowledge a person has acquired for purposes of employment, and pay attention only to the degree he has obtained weighted for the prestige (a surrogate marker for tuition expense) of the granting institution.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/17 22:11:34
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I am afraid it just illustrates the generally acknowledged difference between knowledge and a degree. By custom, in the advanced Western societies and their better off ex-colonies, it is accepted that one should simply ignore whatever knowledge a person has acquired for purposes of employment, and pay attention only to the degree he has obtained weighted for the prestige (a surrogate marker for tuition expense) of the granting institution.
Zactly. I don't know how many times I've been (specifically) told that since I did not posses the exact required degree I would NOT be considered for the job when I knew dead to rights I had the knowledge AND experience to do the job. I have only ever failed at one job (and it was on the first day). I was 18 at the time and I should not have taken the job I did, and I knew it. But, as I said, I was 18 at the time.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/17 22:15:50
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All I remember from my college is washing dishes.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/17 22:17:51
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All I remember from Décollage is how confusing it was to get symmetry.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/17 22:19:36
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I was a hiring manager in IT for many years. Degrees never impressed me. Individuals did.
Degrees are like certifications, IMO. I can't count how many times people that were "certified" didn't have a clue about the topic of their certification.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/18 01:17:24
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I only have one certification, in Accelerated Learning of all things. I don't know how many IT interviews I had to sit through where the candidate had degrees and certs but didn't know anything actually useful in a programming shop.
We had one programming manager get hired (somehow) who was determined to ONLY have people with degrees on her staff. Little did she know that her FIVE best programmers were all without degrees. She replaced one and was about to replace the rest when a bunch of people complained and SHE was let go.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/18 01:23:35
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university of life here, and that's not particularly encouraging either...
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/04/18 01:59:47
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/04/18 02:36:53
I'm fairly certain that I'm at least a touch more smarterer than my "on paper" education would suggest.
But I got booted out of school at 15 and went straight to work so yeah... that ain't sayin' much. lol
I was a... troubled child.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/18 02:50:10
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/18 07:32:06
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/04/18 13:11:32
I have a degree in Graphic Design, which helps me no end in my current career as a gardener.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/18 12:15:35
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/04/18 13:11:34
On the plus side, it's 72 degrees here.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/19 18:35:11
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craigb
I only have one certification, in Accelerated Learning of all things. I don't know how many IT interviews I had to sit through where the candidate had degrees and certs but didn't know anything actually useful in a programming shop.
We had one programming manager get hired (somehow) who was determined to ONLY have people with degrees on her staff. Little did she know that her FIVE best programmers were all without degrees. She replaced one and was about to replace the rest when a bunch of people complained and SHE was let go.
Craig, it's a confederacy of idiots here. I've never met so many incompetent people. And there's people dying of all these bizarre genetic diseases. It's a real freak show. And I used to live in Sarasota, the winter home of the ringling circus. I wouldn't call any of the circus people incompetent.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/19 18:52:28
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FWIW I don't have a degree or any certifications. I've only attended one UCLA Night Course IT related and after 3 of the 12 sessions I already knew all there was to know to do my job. Those wwere before the days of "free" training on the intertubeznetz.
I "grew up" in programming in 1977-1978 with mostly self-taught OJT and have been programming (or is it hacking?) almost non-stop ever since (except for that three year stretch in 2011-2014 and even then I was doing some coding/spec work).
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/19 18:54:03
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BTW, the "test" declared I have a BS degree.
There's sum trooth too dat then, huh?
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2017/04/19 19:45:26
We all know what BS stands for. MS is just More of the Same and a PhD is simply Piled Higher and Deeper. 
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/19 19:19:23
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2017/04/19 19:45:20
I can see Medical Degrees and Legal Degrees.
Isn't the rest just "training".
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/19 19:45:14
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bapu
I can see Medical Degrees and Legal Degrees.
Isn't the rest just "training".
There are definitely places where degrees matter. For example, EE and CS degrees make a lot of sense for folks that are designing CPUs, programming languages and such. OTOH, a CS degree does NOT make someone qualified to be a programmer - or any other role in the app dev cycle. Another example would be something life wildlife biology. A degree certainly helps somebody figger out wildlife habitat requirements and such, but the degree isn't necessary for people implementing practices designed by somebody that has the degree. The ONLY reason degrees are required to the extent they are today is that more and more people have them. IOW, employers require degrees because they can. Just another data point to thin the herd of applicants. Somebody mentioned Graphics Design. I can see where a degree, or a very lengthy and detailed course of study would be a huge benefit for Graphic Designers. Same for Marketing types. There is a lot of fuzzy knowledge required to be the best at getting people to use their plastic. Any of the arts are served well with degree programs. Big difference for trades and technical though. They don't need to figger out WHAT to do, they need to know HOW to do it. The numbers of lousy administrators and managers tells us how well served those particular roles are served by the secondary education system.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/19 20:30:59
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/04/19 20:32:58
It's definitely no Secret, but most men and women can certainly benefit from it.  
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/19 21:00:08
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bapu
FWIW I don't have a degree or any certifications. Luckily, you don't need a degree to be the bass player (specially if you have an Alembic).
In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/04/20 12:19:59
bapu
I can see Medical Degrees and Legal Degrees.
Isn't the rest just "training".
I think you will find that Medical and Law degrees, are in fact, just training. They are pretty much limited to theory and practice of very limited islands in the vast sea of intellectual endeavor to what is actually needed to produce a product. They are, in effect, engineering training. My Bachelor in Liberal Studies was far more inclusive and "educational" than my Doctorate in Medicine, and it was not all that impressive either. Education is learning that promotes other learning, judgement about ambiguous realities, compassion and understanding of complex situations, and flexibility of thought. Of course, none of that is guaranteed by any particular curriculum, or certified by any particular degree. Much of the promise of what was once called education, has been lost in the modern trend to make the potential employee pay for his own focused job training by acquiring a salable degree. While I would be reluctant to drive across a bridge that was designed by someone without appropriate training, I would be just as reluctant to trust his judgement as to whether building the bridge was itself a good idea.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/19 23:34:32
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Yeah, basically agree with this.
Phrmacy doctorate in my case was just a license to learn after being beaten to perdition and back on the killing floor. Took 15 years to actually deserve the hourly rate. Not complaining though... Didn't kill or permanently disfigure too many people in the later years of my career and consults. But please, be nice to your local pharmacist.
Fed A&P aircraft license was to die for fixing and writing off the mechanical labriniths. Big responsibility. Certifying that some dude can be up there beyond the survival crash limits and land safely in whatever he was flying. Earned some respectible bucks there, but your name is signed on to everything you signed off. Can come back to haunt you decades later.
Most important thing is that Bapu has some certificate. Proves that he is not no more igorant no more.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/19 23:47:50
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JohnKenn
Yeah, basically agree with this.
Phrmacy doctorate in my case was just a license to learn after being beaten to perdition and back on the killing floor. Took 15 years to actually deserve the hourly rate. Not complaining though... Didn't kill or permanently disfigure too many people in the later years of my career and consults. But please, be nice to your local pharmacist.
Fed A&P aircraft license was to die for fixing and writing off the mechanical labriniths. Big responsibility. Certifying that some dude can be up there beyond the survival crash limits and land safely in whatever he was flying. Earned some respectible bucks there, but your name is signed on to everything you signed off. Can come back to haunt you decades later.
Most important thing is that Bapu has some certificate. Proves that he is not no more igorant no more.
John
Yes! Increase in pay should rise as responsibility rises. In other words the more liability and risk a person takes on, there should be an increase in pay. We don't want our doctors to be poor because then lawyers would have no one to sue!
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/20 00:13:58
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John, I'm certified but I ent got no certificates.
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/04/20 00:59:33
bapu
John, I'm certified but I ent got no certificates.
I'm pretty sure that makes you certifiable
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/20 00:59:40
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bapu
John, I'm certified but I ent got no certificates.
I'm pretty sure that makes you certifiable
Ja
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
2017/04/20 01:01:38
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☼ Best Answerby bapu 2017/04/20 01:05:13
bapu
John, I'm certified but I ent got no certificates.
 Fixed. 
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Re: It seems I'm more educated than I are
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2017/04/20 01:44:52
I've heard you can skip the first two degrees and get the third degree just by getting married.
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