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2012/10/29 20:28:02 (permalink)

It's been over 12 years...

Since I sold the last of my amps. 

I guess you could say I was one of the pioneers recording exclusively w/ amp sims. ;)

But listening to plenty of old rock and roll and finally having a place to settle down, I'm starting to miss my old Marshalls, particularly w/ the new Les Paul around. So I'm starting to look for something I could eventually buy, preferably w/o breaking the bank.

First consideration - I'd like the Marshall sound.
Second - high gain would be nice as an option, but I'm usually more after classic gain.
Third - I think I'd like something like a 1 x 12 combo.
Fourth - Preferably something below 30W. 15 would probably be even better.

So far, the one thing I've found which seems to match those expectations is a little combo by Marshall called DSL 15. It has tubes,  dual gain modes, 1 x 12 config and it's 15 watts. $600 new, though I might try to find a used one because, well, I'm a cheap bastard.

Anyone here have tried those or has any suggestions for alternatives? BTW, I'm really after that Marshall sound. Vox and Fenders or substitutes like Peavey and others may be an option afterwards.



post edited by Rain - 2012/10/29 20:42:49

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    ampfixer
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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/30 03:26:58 (permalink)
    The little amp that intrigues me right now is the Ibanez head with a built in tube screamer. $399, that's my parts cost on the little heads that I make. The Marshall sound is pretty variable, to the point that I'd find it hard to describe. I'd suggest than you go with a closed back cab when you want a bit of beef at low volumes. 

    If you want to discuss this at any length, pm me with a phone number. I have a great L/D plan and some ideas for a good affordable rig. NOT from me, just off the shelf stuff.

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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/30 09:36:56 (permalink)
    Hey Rain!


    Have you had a look at Blackstar? Made by ex-Marshall folks. They are really cool and most models come with it's own balanced record output which sounds good, from what people tell me. Most models have a control for American or British fuzz, they sound fantastic and are relatively cheap. I'm not sure how many combos they make if any, but you should look into them, they're popular and sounds amazing!

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    Edit to add: Here's the webiste for the company and yes they make Combos, affordable ones from 25w and up it seems. I work with so many guitarists who swear by these, ranging from Indie rock sound, massibe hi-gain stuff and a whole lot more in between. I am absolutely in love with the sound in those I have heard
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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/30 10:10:06 (permalink)
    Rain,

    I bought an Egnater Tweaker about 18 months ago, and I can testify that it is truly a tweaker's delight and a wonderful recording amp!  It has a Mode Switch to give it a Marshall, Vox, or Fender sound, and it is EXTREMELY realistic.  The tone controls are very responsive, and there are several other tone shaping switches on it as well.

    It is a 15W tube amp that sounds like 40, and the distortion it can produce is VERY creamy.  I really like the Dumble sound, but could never afford one, and the versatility of this amp is remarkable, and for less than 10% of the cost of a Dumble, I get a very similar sound out it.

    I highly advise checking it out.  I don't think it's a "modelling" amp either... the switch changes the voicing of the amp  to resemble those amps I believe.

    One more opinion for ya...  LOL

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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/30 10:12:17 (permalink)
    If you ask 500 guitarists about this and you'll get 873,5 different opinions - it's beautiful

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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/30 12:42:56 (permalink)
    Another one worth looking at is the H&K Tubemeister range.

    They come in a variety of heads/cabs/combos and with differing power configurations.

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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/30 13:01:30 (permalink)
    get a marshall, if you like the marshall sound.

    there are so many good variations out there now.

    if you want a recording amp, maybe consider one of these:

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/JMP1C/


    but my favorite "mini" amp right now, would probably be the Mesa Mini Rectifier

    all-tube, EL-84-powered head gives you 2-channel/4-mode operaton
    Each channel lets you switch between 10 watts and 25 watts
    All-Tube, Fully Buffered FX Loop with True "Hard" Bypass Switch that fully removes FX Loop from signal path
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MiniRectHD/

    my favorite part of the amp is the clean channel with the 'top boost' switch, sounds like a pushed AC15

    really pedal friendly

    you can get close to the authentic rectifier sound for HIGH gain, but it's a bit warmer than a real rectifier.

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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/30 13:28:28 (permalink)
    Guitar Players play too loud. Again the volume went up by the end of the night, and it was starting to hurt, too bad most are deaf already when getting old. (The Kinsey Report was playing for a birthday of one of the owners). Oh well! Back in the other bar room I went.

     
     
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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/30 13:37:36 (permalink)
    $59.99 and free shipping at AMS. Has a headphone out too.
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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/30 13:51:08 (permalink)
    You're in Vegas right?  Gambling capital of the USA...... to be sure you can find someone who needs to sell a nice amp real quick for some cash....and at a good price for you. 

    I watch Rick Harrison at the pawn shop in Vegas on TV talk broke musicians out of their nice gear at ridiculous prices all the time.... 

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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/30 14:10:57 (permalink)
    Thanks for the suggestions, guys. If not as a first amp, I'll definitely consider these for the second and third and...

    Blackstar - I've been curious to put those to test, especially considering the Marshall filiation. Plus, it has the word Black in it, must be a sign. ;) They seem to do nice little 1 x 12 combos which pack pretty much all the features I'm after.

    Spacey - The drummer in my last band (mid 90s) used one of those gizmos to record his songs demos, w/ an old Gibson SG. I hated to admit it, but I think he had the best guitar sounds for demos - better than either the other guitar player or mine...

    Herb - I browsed through Craigslit here in Vegas. There sure seems to be a few deals. 

    That would only be fair to find the deal I guess, since I've sold some of those amps for peanuts - one Marshall combo which I loved - my first Marshall actually. I carried this thing on my shoulder by subway to just about every pawn shop I could find in Montreal. I think I got like $70 for it, just because the knobs were a bit noisy - nothing a 5 minute maintenance couldn't handle.

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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/31 10:54:42 (permalink)
    Go with the Blackstar!


    Dimmu Borgir use them

    Anyway, have fun finding your next amp - it's like hunting for a girlfriend to your girlfriend(s) and nothing sparks excitement like that!!

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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/31 13:27:16 (permalink)
    LOL

    And Opeth too. Was one of my favorite bands in the genre, back in the days. :)
    I've watched and listened to a couple of demos on Sweetwater's web site - including their little pedals - man, they sure pack in a lot of gain. Which would be cool because I could probably use that for some of my own projects. 


    Probably won't be before a while, but it's fun to shop around for those things and see what my options are.

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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/31 18:55:16 (permalink)
    He he, there ya go! All the cool folks use Blackstar so there's no reason why you shouldn't get one;)

    Yeah, they pack a lot of gain those things, but on the other hand, they do take it easy as well if you want them to. I have two bands at the moment and in both the guitar players use Blackstars - different models, I don't remember which. One is a full on metal band and the Blackstars deliver the neccersary gain to anger things up. The other band is a punk band where things are a little more rock and roll-ish, sound wise, and the Blackstars deliver there as well. And all four guitarplayers I'm currently "involved" with ditched their distortion pedals after geting them. IMO, they are a great allround amp but not good for crap guitar sounds

    Still, I have a great love for Mesa Boogies as well. But for different use.

    Keep dreaming and shop around. Soon, you won't be able to resist!!!!

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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/31 19:07:07 (permalink)
    I love Mesa Boogies, but, for other guitarists. They're just not the right amp for me.

    We were in the studio once - our first time actually - and I was trying to nail that solo, and having a hard time getting the right amount of gain from my own rig for it to really sing. I knew I could do it but the engineer wasn't the most patient guy and he began to be a bit pushy and said to just plug into the other guitarist's amp - a boogie. 

    2 or 3 takes later, he said we were done, but I felt nauseous every time I heard that song afterwards. It's like it wasn't me playing - the solo was alright, almost too "perfect" - I hadn't earn that one, it always felt like we'd cheated.
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    Re:It's been over 12 years... 2012/10/31 19:18:02 (permalink)
    Yeah, I see what you mean. No wonder an amp makes such an impression on a guitarist. I mean, the amp is the extention of your guitar and your guitar is an extention of your... you know.

    What I don't like about Mesa is that they aren't as diverse. It's harder to dial in that sound that you hear in your head - IMO - which I find easier on Blackstar, Marshall (although, you get the Marshall sound none the less) etc. However, I really like the massive amount of power a Mesa can produce and they always sound really defined. The right player, the right guitar and the Mesa is perfect. But they break easily... For metal and hardcore type of stuff, I LOVE the Mesa. But then again, Engl is a strong contender there. I used to like Crate too but LOL - it's SOOOO 90's now!

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