Its not very often I rant but... (X2)

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2012/11/23 08:36:02 (permalink)

Its not very often I rant but... (X2)

I thought cakewalk would have learnt from the X1 experience. Its becoming increasingly hard work to get things done quickly in X2. These are just some of the random issues I experience on a daily basis in X2 and to be honest Im losing my patience!
 
  • Crashes when auditioning loops from the browser
  • Crashes when setting loop points during playback
  • Freezing then unfreezing softsynth sometimes resets Pro channel settings, you wouldn't know to look at them, but you can hear it.
  • Inserting softsynths doesn't always load the one you select, using replace synth fixes this
  • Pro channel FX chains randomly loses their learnt knob functions - Reloading the FX chain fixes this until the next time it happens
  • Now time marker disappears after editing in PRV
  • Pro channel modules become unresponsive, in other words they are still engaged whether they are turned on or off
  • General graphics oddities

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    gswitz
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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 08:55:36 (permalink)
    interesting. I haven't personally experienced any of these problems, except graphics oddity of having to move the mouse over the beginning of a clip to see the clip muted icon after muting the clip with the mute tool.

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    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 09:45:45 (permalink)
    I have experienced crashes when auditioning loops, but not for a while. 

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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 11:02:36 (permalink)
    Ive had crashes galore with X2
    Had to give up on my Alphatrack control surface as it just crashed the pc all the time.
    Various other probs include:
    Randomly, No sound entering the track input, press a few buttons on/off then it comes through.

    Press rec or solo can cause a crash

    X1 was ok for me but although i like x2 for its take lanes and volume automation lanes, i am getting fed up with the crashes.


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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 11:30:32 (permalink)
    My alphatrack works fine. I'm not having trouble with crashes. I get dropouts when my processor can't keep up, but that's expected. Disabling FX on tracks I'm not using helps with this. By passing FX during recording removes the problem entirely. My PC is a little week. I use a 6 year old laptop with a dual core.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 11:39:20 (permalink)
    Thats weird.
    Evryone seems to be having different problems with X2, but one thing is for sure, there ae lots of issues it seems.
    My alphatrack worked ok right up to X1. It was great.
    But X2, no way could i get it to play ball.
    It would work fine, but then sure as anything you would know that it would crash before you could save anything, everytime.
    Didn't have to use it, it just had to be plugged into the pc.
     

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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 12:22:15 (permalink)
    Yeah....

    Slowdowns for sure...

    I have many graphics oddities here as well.... and it's not the machine as X1 is running cleaner and 8.5.3 runs even better...

    For me the slowdown is in all the losses... It's nice to get new things but not when the loss outweighs the gains (for me)...

    Lanes are horrible for me. The lack of range to the zoom control is making editing very difficult. I don't have great eyes anymore. when loop recording, they force me to constantly re-fill/size the screen as the new takes are off-screen. Changing from track to take requires way too many extra clicks and is needed constantly due to how little screen real estate is left with all the X-waste... As talked about when X1 came out. The new UI occupies far more space for fewer controls and tracks... Now Lanes takes that a big step further down that path... They leave the "track" area in the clips pane empty/wasted and can't be made small enough to fit much on the screen... Comping a track with many lanes has become a very difficult chore. Moving clips between Lanes and/or other tracks? <sigh>... I could rant on as the Lanes are not a welcome item in my life. A major step backwards so that my mute/solo buttons can be bigger? Bad trade!

    The many gfx oddities are difficult as well. It took me many days to get used to the lack of visual change when muting/unmuting clips. I press the appropriate control and nothing changes until the mouse moves off hovering on the clip... Extreme jitter when clips are dragged/copied... PC modules disappearing/re-appearing... Meters in TV not working for higher numbered tracks (confirmed and related to hidden/archived tracks)...

    Why does Audiosnap continue to operate even after all such attempts have been disabled? I try AS, give up and undo all the work... when I next open the song, I get the AS messages regarding "Processing Audio"...

    If only they would release the PC modules as VST so that I could go back to 8.5.3 and return to a more comfortable work environment (for me)... I have no benefits directly related to the X changes other than the PC modules... There are a few more keyboard commands which would just as easily been added to 8.5.3 and what else? Everything else is about the new gui which does not help me... I use some of the new tools because I'm forced to find ways to use X1 (such as screensets)...

    I was looking forward to the new auto-zoom and and smart snap only to find that they get more in my way than not so they remain disabled...

    I could go on...

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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 12:23:58 (permalink)
    I've been really happy with X2. It hasn't crashed at all on me. The only problems I've experienced are various graphics glitches and FX bins setting themselves to bypass mode.

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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 17:00:02 (permalink)
    The only issue raised by the OP that I see regularly are the graphics issues - there's some weird stuff going on, certainly in the prv, and to a lesser extent, Track view.

    I did have my first crash since the quick fix last night, but I'm pretty sure it was to do with a less than optimal Pentagon Installation

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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 17:07:23 (permalink)
    Today, in full screen mode in console view showing all the pro channels, it looked like I had a bunch of the same effect in the PC until I scrolled it up and down. For a second I panicked thinking I'd messed up and bounced a bunch of tracks that way, but all was well. Video anomaly. Scrolling the PC repainted the dirty section of the screen.

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    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 17:18:14 (permalink)
    That's it! I hereby declare all our Sonar whoas are due to the local power grids. DIRTY POWER is the culprit! Your level of dirt may vary from mine.
     
    Most of us experience a variety of Sonar glitches un-reproduceable by users in different regional locations.That's because each area has it's own power generation, right? They all use different methods to make that power. ie: oil, coal, water, wind, nuclear waste  (my favorite), and so on. Then there's the wires, transmission lines, relay stations, etc. all made, installed, and maintained by different companies with different philosophies and agendas.
     
    We're not all on the same grid which means we're not all on the same page when it comes to software bugs. 
     
    Sure you can blame things like different system configurations, corrupted installations, out of date drivers, bad clusters, unevenly parsed memory modules, and good ol' user error, but the bottom line is you get out of something what you put into it. Where does it all start? In this case... dirty power!
     
    Case closed! 'Nuff said! End of story! My work here is done!
     
    Curious how many of us are using power conditioners or regulators on our systems? I'm not.
     
     
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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 17:37:16 (permalink)
    I'm not

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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 18:11:51 (permalink)
    I blame it all on global warming. Al Gore told me so.

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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 22:09:07 (permalink)
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    Curious how many of us are using power conditioners or regulators on our systems? I'm not.
     
     

    I would NEVER run any critical computer-based system without an uninterruptible power supply. I got into the habit during ADAT days, when people would talk about all these weird things that would happen with their ADATs...and I was one of them. Anyway, I lived in an area that often had lightning storms and such, so I got myself an uninterruptible power supply. Like magic, immediately thereafter my ADATs started behaving perfectly...so I took that as a hint.
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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 22:24:45 (permalink)
    Still waiting for the meters to be fixed & track lanes for me are just well.. I won't go into it.
    I use a 600w backup & PL-PLUS DMC Power conditioner on my small setup & it's proved to be invaluable over the years.

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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/23 23:45:34 (permalink)
    Fanboys such as myself don't experience bugs. Bugs are impossible :-) 

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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/24 00:02:36 (permalink)

    soens


    That's it! I hereby declare all our Sonar whoas are due to the local power grids. DIRTY POWER is the culprit! Your level of dirt may vary from mine.
     
    Most of us experience a variety of Sonar glitches un-reproduceable by users in different regional locations.That's because each area has it's own power generation, right? They all use different methods to make that power. ie: oil, coal, water, wind, nuclear waste  (my favorite), and so on. Then there's the wires, transmission lines, relay stations, etc. all made, installed, and maintained by different companies with different philosophies and agendas.
     
    We're not all on the same grid which means we're not all on the same page when it comes to software bugs. 
     
    Sure you can blame things like different system configurations, corrupted installations, out of date drivers, bad clusters, unevenly parsed memory modules, and good ol' user error, but the bottom line is you get out of something what you put into it. Where does it all start? In this case... dirty power!
     
    Case closed! 'Nuff said! End of story! My work here is done!
     
    Curious how many of us are using power conditioners or regulators on our systems? I'm not.
     
     

    I use an online uninterruptible power supply, one that uses both a rectifier and an inverter. In the USA utilities commonly deviate from 120 volts by up to 15%. Larger deviations occur during load switching and ground faults. Then there is reactive power and the effect it can have on critical electronics. imho an online UPS is an absolute necessity for a stable DAW.
    post edited by rabeach - 2012/11/24 00:22:19
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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/24 02:38:44 (permalink)

    Why does Audiosnap continue to operate even after all such attempts have been disabled? I try AS, give up and undo all the work... when I next open the song, I get the AS messages regarding "Processing Audio"...

     
    I get that too Keni and I hate it. Your best bet is...if you haven't done anything in AS that's worth saving, or you're unsuccessful using it, close out without a save. I find the only time I get this message is when I save something after initiating AS.
     
    In response to the OP, wow...that's a lot of bothersome stuff there. I don't get any of that. I got a few crashes before the quick-fix, but I've not had any issues since then. You should definitely work up some bug reports if you haven't already. Even if by chance you are the only one seeing some of this stuff, it would be worth investigating and looking into. Are there crash files or .dmp files that are created after a crash? That stuff may be helpful.
     
    Another thing I think is important which I'll be doing in the event I see any weird anomalies with X2....video shots.
     
    If any of us experience crashing in the same manner time and time again, if it's not too much trouble, running a cam capture program would be great for stuff like this. I know it can be drive intensive, but sometimes when we have issues with this stuff, there aren't enough clues. I figure, I can always edit my video's to get to the point in which the crash happened and just zip them up and send to support. If it's something that happens all the time, it shouldn't take much video time to get to it, ya know?
     
    Since we all have so many different systems and configurations, I think we do the product justice by taking part in these things that happen to us instead of being one of those guys that just rants (not saying you Rasure or anyone in this thread, just speaking in general) about them and then goes off to use another DAW with even more problems. At least that's how I'm going about it these days. It's actually helped me quite a few times when support has contacted me after a bug report and I can say "yeah, here's what I see and how it happens." I figure it can't hurt anything and I want to see Sonar rock solid...so that's what I do. :)
     
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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/24 02:59:18 (permalink)
    I do use a UPS with surge and power filtering. So i cant blame the power.
    Mind you we do get lots birds sitting on the overhead power lines outside our house!
    I think i will get an air rifle to shoot them off, and see if the computer glitches go away!

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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/24 03:00:58 (permalink)
    It's my understanding, though I might be wrong (again!) that Audiosnap will always be active until you do a Bounce to Clip - this removes it

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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/24 04:58:31 (permalink)
    "Now time marker disappears after editing in PRV" - Yes, that bugs the crap out of me.

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    Re:Its not very often I rant but... (X2) 2012/11/24 05:08:25 (permalink)
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    That's it! I hereby declare all our Sonar whoas are due to the local power grids. DIRTY POWER is the culprit! Your level of dirt may vary from mine.

    Most of us experience a variety of Sonar glitches un-reproduceable by users in different regional locations.That's because each area has it's own power generation, right? They all use different methods to make that power. ie: oil, coal, water, wind, nuclear waste  (my favorite), and so on. Then there's the wires, transmission lines, relay stations, etc. all made, installed, and maintained by different companies with different philosophies and agendas.

    We're not all on the same grid which means we're not all on the same page when it comes to software bugs. 

    Sure you can blame things like different system configurations, corrupted installations, out of date drivers, bad clusters, unevenly parsed memory modules, and good ol' user error, but the bottom line is you get out of something what you put into it. Where does it all start? In this case... dirty power!

    Case closed! 'Nuff said! End of story! My work here is done!

    Curious how many of us are using power conditioners or regulators on our systems? I'm not.

     

    I use an online uninterruptible power supply, one that uses both a rectifier and an inverter. In the USA utilities commonly deviate from 120 volts by up to 15%. Larger deviations occur during load switching and ground faults. Then there is reactive power and the effect it can have on critical electronics. imho an online UPS is an absolute necessity for a stable DAW.
     
    I use a UPS and APC clean power spike surge protectors, many times a lifesaver.
    http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=176&ISOCountryCode=DE
     
     
    Here in europe we have still very clean power and no real longtime power failure and interferences.
    I have UPS but also APC clean power spike-surge protectors. Everyday 1000 of small spikes and other strange volt peaks accrue that comes from the power lines. This spikes can couse example dropouts and other stange bugs in your system. If you install a APC spike surge protector this can solve many of your problems. I notice a direct improvement when i surge protect my whole studio equipment.
     
    Today a lot of my studio hardware equipment like audio interface, hardware compressors, computer, screeens are also hooked up to UPS too.
    post edited by Freddie H - 2012/11/24 05:18:25


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