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Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
Hi Guys I am thinking of getting a new DAW put together. Can anyone tell me what is better for a DAW Ivy Bridge or Sandy Bridge ? With motherboard would it be better to go for a Socket 1155 or 2011. With Ram Do Is it a good Idea to go for Ram faster than the 1600 that the 2011 boards can take ? Is over clocking a Cpu a bad idea for a Daw ? I see some online stores doing some bundle deals with the Cpus over clocked but would like to know if this is a bad idea or not ? I keep looking at it all on online stores but I just get lost.... Thanks for all help with this. Norrie
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/01 05:27:02
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I think as long as it's overclocked professionally Norrie, it shouldn't be a problem.
I bought a bundle containing CPU/Mobo/Ram for my general internet/office pc and this thing absolutely smokes!
I also installed X1 & X2 on in and if anything, it's more stable than my main DAW! And I haven't done any of the usual tweaks - it just works.
I think I bought it from Overclockers, but my memory is a bit hazy on that.
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/01 08:02:11
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Hi Jonesey ! Thanks !
I was checking out the bundles on OC... Whats your thoughts on Sandy Bridge Vs Ivy Bridge ?
BR> I cant decide weather to go for a Sandy or Ivy I5 or I7 and if I should go for the over clocking option or not.
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/01 08:34:37
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Hi Norrie,
Running the 3770k (Ivybridge) at 4.5GHz is a sweet-spot price/performance wise.
Socket 2011 (Sandybridge-E) will be a little faster... but the motherboards are more expensive and USB-3 isn't integrated into the X79 chipset.
The k series CPUs are multiplier-unlocked by Intel... specifically for controlled over-clocking.
As long as you have the right components... and the right configuration, the machine should be 100% stable.
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/01 09:41:32
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sandy vs IVY made no difference in benchmarks at all..
howwever the 2600k is getting hard to find and is only a few $ less than the 3770k
mobos are only slightly less as well so why not get the newest..
overclocking rocks when done correctly, a disaster if not..
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/01 18:22:31
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How about Xeon? It appears to be in the mix price-wise.
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/02 08:30:28
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Xeon is no different than its desktop counterpart. they are the exact same processor and generally more money.
there have at times been price points where they were less but rare. also no over clock.
only place for Xeons is dual Xeons and then you better buy the dual 3.1GHz @ $2k each.. and still be over spending compared to an X79 single
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/02 14:05:32
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Thanks for the replies guys ! Yeah the Xeon chips come in around £800 - £1000 here and that's waaaaay out my price range, I am leaning towards this as my build.... i7-3770K 3.50GHz (Ivybridge) Gigabyte Z77X-UP5 TH or UP4 G.Skill RipJawsZ 32GB (8x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 Unless anyone can say a reason to go for i7-3820 3.60GHz (Sandybridge-E)? The other 2011 chips are almost double so out of my price range but the Z79 boards are about the same price. Thanks again Norrie
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/02 14:45:35
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/02 14:45:44
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You want to make sure the motherboard has an Intel chipset.
Also a good idea to know the maximum RAM the motherboard will handle.
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/02 15:03:44
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Thanks Scott.
Whats the issues with the Ram on the X79 mobos? Is that the Samsung green stuff ? I can only seem to find it in 4 gig modules
So would this combo be better ....
i7-3820 3.60GHz (Sandybridge-E)
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/02 18:15:28
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lots of ram incompatibility on X79 vs Z77
especially when fully populated (8 sticks)
or using 8 gig sticks.
you can get past it sometimes by downclocking the 1600 to 1333 (sometimes forced to do 1066 even)
samsung LV ram in 4gig sticks is all you will find the 8 gig samsung is hard to source and goes mostly to OEMs..
often the Eeproms arent programmed right with other ram as well so XMP etc will not auto work always
most likely will require manual setting of the ram.
if you can get the samsung you should be ok.
done know about the "green" aspect ..
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/02 18:16:33
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Chris S
You want to make sure the motherboard has an Intel chipset.
Also a good idea to know the maximum RAM the motherboard will handle.
all intel processor boards have intel chipsets anymore. no more 3rd party.. and actually fully populating the board can cause issues
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/02 20:01:55
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/03 11:06:10
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/03 14:00:02
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so why not get the newest. So it looks like the pros are not finding the overheat/throttle problems when overclocking Ivy Bridge, that have been reported elsewhere? Is that not an issue, or just not an issue at the level of OC you do?
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/04 18:16:06
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@ Scott Had a look at the graph there sorry I overlooked it before. Looks like the 3820 kicks the ass off the 3770K ?
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/04 21:24:19
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Not when you overclock it to 4.5ghz, the 3770K is a nose in front.
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/05 08:28:21
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Not when you overclock it to 4.5ghz, the 3770K is a nose in front.
yeah but then you can OC the 3820 as well and have far better memeory bandwidth. while the average OC for the 3820 is only 4.2GHz is still kills the 3770 @ 4.5GHz
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/05 08:30:19
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so why not get the newest.
So it looks like the pros are not finding the overheat/throttle problems when overclocking Ivy Bridge, that have been reported elsewhere? Is that not an issue, or just not an issue at the level of OC you do?
at first yes very much... in fact we were like "so much for die shrink and thermals being better" it took a decent amount of tweaking in the bios to get them to behave as they should. when done right they actually run a tad cooler than Sandy. (a small tad)
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/11 13:24:08
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This may be a completely stupid question but it is something I have always wondered about and it involves heat and speed. So... would anything be gained by getting a chip that is a bit more than you will ever need and then underclocking it? Maybe chips have improved enough that something like this is not needed or maybe heat is just an issue in gaming computers (I am not a gamer unless you consider pinball). I'm thinking you could maybe get by with a smaller, quieter fan?
Anyway... I was wondering.
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/11 14:30:28
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a chip that is a bit more than you will ever need I paid over $600.00 for an 80286DX chip when it was more than I would ever need. How much do you plan to pay for yours? I am frankly not a fan of overclocking to save money. By the time you have paid for an expensive cooling solution, and done the tweaking to get it to run, possibly voiding your (usually pretty much worthless) warranty in the process, to run a potentially less than fully stable system, you might better wait six months for the price drop on the next chip that runs at that speed out of the box. One problem with the circuit shrink to run cooler theory is that the newer dies have gazillions more transistors on the die. The chip makers are putting more circuits (albeit smaller) on the same real estate, more or less eating up the savings in cooling by cramming more stuff on the chip.
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/11 15:54:50
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Hi Guys, I decided on my parts for the build.
Gigabyte Z77X-UP5-TH
I7 3770k
G.Skill RipJawZ C9 1600 32 Gb
Notctua NH-D14 ( I have one in my sig setup and its great )
I am getting the build from Over Clockers uk and asked them if it was possible for a overclock to 4.5ghz but have been told due to the amount of ram I want in order to keep the system stable it will need to be 4.2
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/11 16:39:57
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I am frankly not a fan of overclocking to save money. By the time you have paid for an expensive cooling solution, and done the tweaking to get it to run, possibly voiding your (usually pretty much worthless) warranty in the process, to run a potentially less than fully stable system, you might better wait six months for the price drop on the next chip that runs at that speed out of the box.
Yes, that is why I asked about underclocking to make it run cooler and still have all the power a person needs. I still wonder... I am really not sure if your response was to my question, since it didn't answer it, though you quoted from it... I don't get your point (which seems a little snide). It was a simple question that I do not know the answer to. I don't know much about the components of a computer and I didn't mean to offend anyone... J
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/11 17:37:28
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You gain nothing by running a solid state part at less than design specs. Have you ever had a cpu fail because it was overused? Or for any other reason other than the CPU cooler fan failed? They do not for all practical purposes wear out at rated voltage. And if you could make it last a few years longer, why would you?
I was not trying to be snide. I was just offering an observation, that there is never going to be a way to future proof your machine. I have never installed a faster CPU in a computer to make it run new applications or old applications faster. By the time you need to change your CPU, it is because new technology comes along and your old CPU will not work with the new motherboard (which will not work with the old memory) that incorporates that new technology.
I still have that 80286 machine out in the barn. It would still run a perfectly usable word processor. But by the time I got it to connect to the internet or accept a USB device, I would have to pay more in kludges than for a new machine. And the memory it would support would not run any currently supported web browser.
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/11 18:18:40
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@ Jbow My personal thoughts would be go for a CPU that you would know you wont max out.
Silent Fans / Coolers are really not that expensive for one that will provide ample cooling for a CPU at stock speed or overclocked. For Example my Noctua comes in at around £50
The Reason I picked the 3770k and decided I will have it overclocked is that the company that I have ordered it from will be putting the CPU on the Mobo for me and they offer to do the overclock they also offer a 2 year warranty on the over clocked CPU.
I know a few guys who are using 3770s and have no need to overclock but I just feel I may as well do it :)
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/11 18:42:45
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Thanks.. I have no idea what I want. I know I need something more in a computer but I will leave it to Mr. Roseberry. I would ertainly make a mess of things. I will be lucky to get it all loaded up into a new computer and running right, lol. I appreciate the answer, I am truy a computer dummy and I apologize for misunderstanding your tone.  Julien
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/12 06:47:38
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Norrie
@ Jbow My personal thoughts would be go for a CPU that you would know you wont max out.
Silent Fans / Coolers are really not that expensive for one that will provide ample cooling for a CPU at stock speed or overclocked. For Example my Noctua comes in at around £50
The Reason I picked the 3770k and decided I will have it overclocked is that the company that I have ordered it from will be putting the CPU on the Mobo for me and they offer to do the overclock they also offer a 2 year warranty on the over clocked CPU.
I know a few guys who are using 3770s and have no need to overclock but I just feel I may as well do it :)
Sounds like a good build Norrie - you're going to love all that power!!
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/15 08:22:23
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Thanks Jonesey !
I still need to decide on a PSU I was going to use the Corsair TX 650 that is in my build at the moment but thinking about it I am best to get a new PSU for the new build.
I have no idea how much power I will need for my set up or how to work it out
I aim to have Over Clockers do the build at the start of next week and should be a 3 - 4 day turn around ( if they have all the parts )
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Re:Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge
2012/11/15 08:27:31
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You should be able to calculate your PSU needs from the individual components.
FWIW, the one I'm using in my DAW is only 600W, yet my general Internet/Office machine is, I think, upwards of 750W
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