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J-Bass or P-Bass
I understand there are many factors, some people use Ricks or synths, etc., etc....but for most rock and country, do those of you who use Fender basses tend to prefer a Jazz Bass or Precision Bass? Out of those two, which would be your go-to?
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 16:14:55
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konradh
I understand there are many factors, some people use Ricks or synths, etc., etc....but for most rock and country, do those of you who use Fender basses tend to prefer a Jazz Bass or Precision Bass? Out of those two, which would be your go-to?
I have a P-Bass because they have a fatter sound and that Fender "growl". P-Basses have a little less "fatness" (whatever that means) and are a little cleaner which is why many jazz players prefer the "jazz" bass. I would guess that more rock player use a P-Bass and definitely more jazz players use the J-Bass.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 16:33:33
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Both are great basses but would have to choose the P Bass. The flat neck on the Jazz can get uncomfortable for me after a while especially at the first couple of frets.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 16:33:54
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I prefer the Jazz neck as it is thinner than the fat necks on most P Basses. There is another option to consider. Fender makes bases that have Jazz necks and P Bodies AND which have both the P pickup & a Jazz Pickup. P Necks can be thicker; Jazz necks are thinner. Here is their less expensive model: http://www.fender.com/basses/precision-bass/deluxe-active-p-bass-special/ Fender makes a more expensive version, American made version. Of course, some people just put a Jazz neck on a P Body. I like having the combination of both P and J pickups as it is easy to dial in the tone needed. BTW, I have a Rick and a Gibson which have totally different tones. But most of the time in my little basement studio I just use the Fender Deluxe P, but it is active and many people prefer passive basses.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 16:36:11
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I have a J-bass Deluxe MiM. (the deluxe is active)
I think the different sounds I can get out of it is great, much more than a "regular" Jazzbass.
On top of my head, Jaco (Pastorius) and Marcus Miller has J-basses, Fender signature. They have quite different sound though :)
Sting uses P-bass, and also has his signature with Fender.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 16:42:09
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[<font]I have a P-bass special which has the body of the P and the neck of the J but the fingerboard is rounded like the P. It is the best of both worlds. I used a Precision a million years ago and it was a great bass. You can't go wrong with either just find out what's best for you.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 16:43:43
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Thanks, guys! I have recorded both many times over the years in the studio. I didn't want to influence the comments, but my initial uneducated thought was that many players I know like the feel of the J-Bass, but I personally kind of lean slightly towards the P-Bass for the indie folk and country-rock I write because it seems to cut through a bit more. Not being an expert bass player, however, I thought I'd ask you guys/gals who know their way around a bass.  I am seriously considering adding the NI Scarbee Bass and may start with P-Bass and add the J later. Sound on Sound just reviewed the Scarbee Rick bass and raved about it for progressive rock and other applicable genres. Peace and thanks again. PS I have tried to record bass with an actual bass instead of samples; and playing bass cleanly is way harder than it looks if you don't do it every day. And being creative while keeping things simple is a huge challenge. I tip my hat to all you bassists.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 17:04:16
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I've always felt like the P-Bass mixes itself. Even the cheap Mexican models just lay quite nicely in the mix.
I'll go against the grain and say that the Jazz Bass has a more aggressive top end to it and if that doesn't work with what you are doing it's something else to have to deal with.
My druthers would lean toward the J-Bass but I know the P-Bass would be the smartest choice.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 17:48:53
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You really can't go wrong with a P or a J bass.
If the bass role in most of your music is more "fundamental"... where the bass is primarily supportive (Pretenders, U2, Green Day), I think the P is the better choice.
Sits perfectly...
If the bass role is a little more featured (Rush, RHCP), the J will give you a little more articulation.
Another bass you might want to consider is the Stingray.
Also records well...
The SR has an aggressive character... which you may or may not like.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 17:59:32
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A friend of mine bought both and customize it. He put the jazz neck on the Precision body.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 18:21:40
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Regarding the difference in sound:
P-Bass: Blah blah blah
J-Bass: Nah Nah Nah
Music Man Stingray: Dah Dah Dah
This is the truth is stick by!
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 20:42:03
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I love both and mainly record with a Jazz bass, but P-Bass is sort of the gold standard of electric basses, especially for Rock and Pop.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 21:10:35
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Would you say use the Jazz if you want to hear the defined bass melodic lines and the P if you want rhythm and a foundation to work with the kik?
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 21:20:37
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Depends on the PU... I put a Jazz bass PU on my P bass...
There are more variations than there are bass players,, to say one is better or worse is talking through your backdoor porthole...
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/02 21:44:50
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Fair enough, in plank wood instruments like these, the PUPs and amps are the sound. However, a modified guitar is hardly relevant to a discussion about the described instruments. We have to assume he is discounting mods but, unless DI, an amp is certainly going to make a huge diff.
post edited by M_Glenn_M - 2013/06/03 00:42:56
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 01:19:13
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80% of the sound is touch and technique. Ten different players can play the same bass and have ten different sounds. I've always preferred the J...but both are great basses.
A buddy of mine swears by his Gibson Thunderbird...and he has two MM Stingrays and several other basses.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 03:28:53
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konradh
PS I have tried to record bass with an actual bass instead of samples; and playing bass cleanly is way harder than it looks if you don't do it every day. And being creative while keeping things simple is a huge challenge. I tip my hat to all you bassists.
Ha, love it! I know the original question was regarding Fender options, but i'm yet to hear anything that my Musicman (Sterling) hasn't shined on. If you are spending some coin on a bass, go check one out.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 11:56:33
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80% of the sound is touch and technique. Ten different players can play the same bass and have ten different sounds. I've always preferred the J...but both are great basses.
A buddy of mine swears by his Gibson Thunderbird...and he has two MM Stingrays and several other basses.
No disrespect Ted, but IMO, 80% of the "sound" is still the machine. However, I agree that 80% (or more) of a great track is the performance. (The singer not the song). So to compare the J with the P, we have to have equal performances and equal amps.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 12:06:50
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I've got lots of time with both, but also with Ricks, and Stingrays. If I had to pick between a P or J, I'd get Fender J, and I'd make sure I was using a tube amp. However, my experience tells me the P bass is more mid-range punchy, but the J has more boomy bottom and a more zingy top when running through the same amp. So, for the sim, that's what I'd keep in mind.
Also, the P bass is more zingy if it has the PJ pickup orientation vs. a standard P split P pickup.
Hope this helps!
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 14:04:51
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Fascinating discussion, guys. Thanks. What started this was that I was debating which Native Instruments Scarbee bass virtual instrument to pick up first. They make J-Bass, P-Bass, Music Man, and Rick.
I like Ricks but didn't think that was a priority for me. I also (maybe incorrectly) think of Music Man as more of a funk or disco bass. Most of my recording career with real people players seemed to populated mostly with the two Fenders.
Thinking I may get both the Scarbee J and P basses and then see what else I need.
I actually think the bass insturment that comes with Sonar can sound pretty good on straight-ahead parts, but it doesn't give you much in the way of articulations. Also, some of the sounds have an annoying fret buzz that doesn't seem to be optional.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 14:27:53
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I'm a guitarist and when I asked about a bass the Geddy Lee was recommended by
Jim Roseberry and a few others...sure glad I listened.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 15:07:26
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The Geddy bass is pretty awesome. Stingrays are better for Funk/Pop. I think they're to metallic and muddy for what I like. They severely lack a good bellow in low-frequencies, but can be very aggressive. Now, I love the Ricks that I have, but they're nasal-sounding unless you run them through a a pair of amps (hi/low) or through a SansAMP. They can be punchy, zingy, and still have some bellow (amazing through a Chandler Germanium Pre/DI with the thick button enabled. However, I think trying to emulate a Rick is not possible. phrasing and string slides, fret-buzz, and other distortions are all needed to be great.
If I had one to choose for a sim: Jazz.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 15:15:17
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If I were a bassist I think I'd turn to this guy to get my sound.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 15:17:37
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I like both bass instruments. If I had to choose I would go with the J bass. I have a line 6 variax bass. It is the 700 model. That thing is incredible. It is too bad they don't make them anymore. it does a great job at modeling bass instruments. I got 16 bass models on that bass and the ability to adjust and move the pickups around. It is a great instrument for a bass player to use in a studio. I have used that bass on several session outside of my studio.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 16:23:21
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☄ Helpfulby konradh 2013/06/09 15:58:45
Hey, konradh, I use the Scarbee Jbass on a regular basis. I thought about adding the Pbass collection as well. Once I got the Jbass happening I never even bothered with the Pbass purchase. A little EQ tweaking will provide just about anything you need as far as that Fender bass sound. I run the Scarbee thru the Audifexx GK Amplification Pro plug and it seems to cover everything but that coveted Rick sound. The only criticism I would say would be when you have a lot of tracks layered the Scarbee's subtle little characteristics that make it sound so good tend to get covered over pretty quickly.
I do have the Fender Modified Jazz Fretless Bass that I pick up and play sometimes but honestly the Scarbee Jbass library in some cases sounds more solid. I have used a combination of the Scarbee for the grooves and the real bass playing the fills. That has worked out really well on some occasions. Just an observation.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 16:47:59
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I prefer the Jazz over the P-basses, but my main bass for the past 15+ years has been my trusty ol' G&L L-2000. Arguably the best line of basses Leo Fender has ever made.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 20:25:36
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I prefer the Jazz over the P-basses, but my main bass for the past 15+ years has been my trusty ol' G&L L-2000. Arguably the best line of basses Leo Fender has ever made.
Somehow G&L always gets overlooked when it's just the next generation of Fenders.
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Re:J-Bass or P-Bass
2013/06/03 20:30:56
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To me it depends on the project I'm working on, I try out many different basses, and go with the one that sounds best for that particular track.
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