FastBikerBoy
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JBridge with X1 problem - known bug - FIXED
Anyone using JBridge successfully with X1? I've had to uninstall it in order to use Prochannel. If not when I try and turn a part of the prochannel on such as the EQ I get a message complaining that a dll isn't compatible with JBridge. Even though "use JBridge" is deselected in the 'Options' dialogue. Anyone else with JBridge installed seeing this issue?
post edited by FastBikerBoy - 2010/12/15 10:32:29
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 02:42:35
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I have JBridge installed, and I haven't seen any errors with Pro Channel.
Was it already in place when you upgraded?
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 02:48:01
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Yeah I already had JBridge installed.
I uninstalled it and the prochannel worked fine, re-installed it and prochannel wouldn't open/turn on. I've uninstalled it again now.
Are you using the latest JBridge release 1.27?
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 02:59:45
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No. Looks like I'm still running 1.2. Didn't know there was a newer version. Unless I'm just not seeing the full version number in the info bar at the bottom of a jbridged plugin GUI.
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 03:20:04
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I'll go back a version then and see if that helps. I received an email about the new version about two weeks ago. In fact I got an email about 1.26 and before I'd even installed that 1.27 had been released due to
'This update replaces v1.26, which was to be released officially. Some incompatibilities were reported with v1.26, and I couldn't let them pass'
Perhaps that's where my problem is. Thanks. I'll post my findings as soon as I get back to my DAW.
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 03:20:22
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Interesting. I hope this isn't an incompatibility with the latest jBridge version. Like a lot of users I still rely on many "bridged" 32 bit VSTs. I'd test it myself, but won't be upgrading to X1 until end of year or so. Worst case, if there is an issue, you can probably roll back to v1.2 as a temporary fix. Also the dev is quite fast with fixes, so it won't be "broken" for long. 
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 03:41:25
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I haven't played with it a lot, but I just loaded Miroslav Philharmonik bridged with jBridge 1.27 and didn't have a problem turning on PC. What plugin are you using?
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 03:46:56
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Well,, it looks like I was the one who didn't read carefully. My apologies to DWCaldwell. 
post edited by JonD - 2010/12/15 04:01:43
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 03:51:07
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I received an email about the new version about two weeks ago. Thanks for the heads up. Found the e-mail form Dec 2 in an account I don't usually use for music-related stuff. Guess I'll hold off installing it until you figure out what's going on, though I guess it's not a problem for dwcaldwell, and I would imagine a lot of other X1 users also have 1.27.
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 04:14:20
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brundlefly
I received an email about the new version about two weeks ago.
Thanks for the heads up. Found the e-mail form Dec 2 in an account I don't usually use for music-related stuff. Guess I'll hold off installing it until you figure out what's going on, though I guess it's not a problem for dwcaldwell, and I would imagine a lot of other X1 users also have 1.27.
That's what I was afraid of......... I feel a headache coming on...... 
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 04:18:17
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Well,, it looks like I was the one who didn't read carefully. My apologies to DWCaldwell. Hey Jon, you don't owe me any apology. To be honest, I don't really have a clue why you would think that you do. Lol. Best regards, Don
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 04:36:43
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though I guess it's not a problem for dwcaldwell Lol. I don't have a lot of confidence that's its not a problem. I just did a quick smoke test. I've been going through the mind map and trying to get a feel for the new way of doing things, but I keep running into walls (or apparitions of walls). Seems like there are times when I try something, it doesn't work, then the next time I try it, it does.
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 05:47:17
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Just to let you guys know that I'm using JBridge 1.27 successfully with X1 64bit with various 32bit plugins - both VSTi and VST.
I already had jbridge installed when I installed a clean copy of X1 (I didn't upgrade from 8.5).
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 07:09:09
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auricle
Just to let you guys know that I'm using JBridge 1.27 successfully with X1 64bit with various 32bit plugins - both VSTi and VST.
I already had jbridge installed when I installed a clean copy of X1 (I didn't upgrade from 8.5).
Thanks, it gets worse then...... Now I know it's a problem with my set-up.  I was hoping I could blame X1....
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 07:53:50
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This is indeed a bug in X1. I fixed this yesterday - last bug before I head out on vacation :-P
Its too late for the fix to make it into X1A but contact tech support and they should be able to help you out.
The root cause is that the scanner is wrongly applying the "use jBridge" setting to internal components.
You may be able to fix it yourself as follows:
- Go to plugin manager and Take OUT the use jBridge setting at the "folder defaults" level. i,e, you do NOT want to tell the scanner to apply jBridge to every plugin. This is actually a bad idea in general since you are making your system inefficient for plugin processing.
- Open the preferences and reset the VST scan inventory. (or do this from plugin manager itself)
- Do a full scan again
- Now go to plugin manager and add back the use jBridge property ONLY TO the plugins that require bridging.
After that it should work fine. I fixed it to now prevent us from applying the use jBridge property too widely - which was applying it to non VST modules as well!
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 07:59:48
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Thanks Noel, you've just made my day sort of....
At least I haven't got to start self-diagnosing my system. Thanks....
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 08:08:37
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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This is indeed a bug in X1. I fixed this yesterday - last bug before I head out on vacation :-P
Its too late for the fix to make it into X1A but contact tech support and they should be able to help you out.
The root cause is that the scanner is wrongly applying the "use jBridge" setting to internal components.
You may be able to fix it yourself as follows:
- Go to plugin manager and Take OUT the use jBridge setting at the "folder defaults" level. i,e, you do NOT want to tell the scanner to apply jBridge to every plugin. This is actually a bad idea in general since you are making your system inefficient for plugin processing.
- Open the preferences and reset the VST scan inventory. (or do this from plugin manager itself)
- Do a full scan again
- Now go to plugin manager and add back the use jBridge property ONLY TO the plugins that require bridging.
After that it should work fine. I fixed it to now prevent us from applying the use jBridge property too widely - which was applying it to non VST modules as well!
To be honest, I accidently added the jbridge at the default level and noticed that ALL plugins were using jbridge - including the 64bit ones. I did what Noel suggested above, remove jbridge as default, rescanned and then added jbridge manually to each 32bit plugin and I've had no problems.
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 10:31:15
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where do i find/how do i install JBridge? not much info in the help file...i had to install the 32 bit version of X1 to run a couple vst's properly... not that big of a deal as i only have 4 gigs ram atm, but i'd like to be able to go 64 bit if need be...
thanks...
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 10:42:52
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 10:44:24
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Thanks Noel your instructions worked fine. I didn't realise I needed to reset all the plugins when I turned off the jbridge option.  Anyway, all is good now, thread title changed. @ross g2 - JBridge is a third party plug. There's a free trial but it only costs a few ££/$$ to get the registered version. I prefer it to bitbridge if only for the interface, although it does get a few plugs going that won't work with bitbridge. Do a web search for jbridge. The support BTW is second to none, all done by the programs author. He even emails you updates. How good a service is that? Well worth the money IMHO. EDIT:auricle beat me to it..........
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 11:07:52
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dwcaldwell,
I'm surprised you need to use jBridge for Miroslav Philharmonic.
I have every single IK Multi pplugin/synth and they all work perfectly with Bitbridge
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 11:21:32
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they all work perfectly with Bitbridge I use jBridge with lots of plugs that work fine with Bitbridge, because it eliminates the problems caused by the focus moving from SONAR to the separate process that Bitbridge creates for the plugin GUI. In X1 this is even more important because Bitbridged plugs can't be multi-docked.
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 11:38:33
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Noel, I'm wondering if this might be the root cause of Pro Channel being dead on my 64 bit install of X1? I'm away from my DAW but will try this tonight.
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 11:41:50
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brundlefly
they all work perfectly with Bitbridge I use jBridge with lots of plugs that work fine with Bitbridge, because it eliminates the problems caused by the focus moving from SONAR to the separate process that Bitbridge creates for the plugin GUI. In X1 this is even more important because Bitbridged plugs can't be multi-docked. What he said.
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 12:13:05
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brundlefly
they all work perfectly with Bitbridge
I use jBridge with lots of plugs that work fine with Bitbridge, because it eliminates the problems caused by the focus moving from SONAR to the separate process that Bitbridge creates for the plugin GUI.
In X1 this is even more important because Bitbridged plugs can't be multi-docked.
Can you or anyone else expound on this? I just moved to 64-bit. All my plugs seem to work w/ BitBridge but I always see people referring to JBridge so I was wondering what the additional benefits would be in using JBridge as opposed to BitBridge.
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 12:41:28
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All this IMHO............ JBridge is better for being able to access and save presets. It looks better generally - very important.  Bitbridge steals the input. i.e. Once it's open it either stays on top, jumps to the fore, or generally gets in the way. JBridge doesn't do any of those things. IIRC there is a demo/trial. Try it for yourself and see what you think. It's only a few ££/$$ (around 15 IIRC) so it's not expensive if you decide you prefer it.
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 13:05:05
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FastBikerBoy
All this IMHO............
JBridge is better for being able to access and save presets.
It looks better generally - very important.
Bitbridge steals the input. i.e. Once it's open it either stays on top, jumps to the fore, or generally gets in the way. JBridge doesn't do any of those things.
IIRC there is a demo/trial. Try it for yourself and see what you think. It's only a few ££/$$ (around 15 IIRC) so it's not expensive if you decide you prefer it.
Thanks. I think I'm going to try it out. Do you notice any difference in cpu load between the two?
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 13:09:40
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FastBikerBoy
@ross g2 - JBridge is a third party plug. There's a free trial but it only costs a few ££/$$ to get the registered version. I prefer it to bitbridge if only for the interface, although it does get a few plugs going that won't work with bitbridge.
Do a web search for jbridge. The support BTW is second to none, all done by the programs author. He even emails you updates. How good a service is that? Well worth the money IMHO.
EDIT:auricle beat me to it..........
thanks to both for the info...for now i'll stick with 32 bit as everything works and it seems Cake has to fix a few things...
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Re:JBridge with X1 problem
2010/12/15 13:23:34
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FastBikerBoy
All this IMHO............
JBridge is better for being able to access and save presets.
It looks better generally - very important.
Bitbridge steals the input. i.e. Once it's open it either stays on top, jumps to the fore, or generally gets in the way. JBridge doesn't do any of those things.
IIRC there is a demo/trial. Try it for yourself and see what you think. It's only a few ££/$$ (around 15 IIRC) so it's not expensive if you decide you prefer it.
Thanks.
I think I'm going to try it out. Do you notice any difference in cpu load between the two?
I can't say I have but then I've never looked either, so if there is a difference it's not that noticeable. Or not for me at least.
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