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2015/03/10 07:55:01 (permalink)

Jam Origin MIDI Guitar

This software can perhaps be best summed up with the phrase, "Jam Origin MIDI Guitar, where have you been all my life?!"
 
If you're like me and play the keyboard like somebody wearing boxing gloves, but can knock out a tune cleanly enough on a guitar, then this could be what you've been looking for.
 
Guitar-to-MIDI converters and MIDI controllers in a guitar-like shape have been around for some time, but have never been that good or affordable for me to take the plunge.  As Roland products are a complete non-starter for me, I'd recently narrowed the field down to the following:
 
1. Fishman Tripleplay Wireless Guitar Midi Controller
 
Bolt a slab of tech to your guitar, incorporating a hexaphonic pickup and wifi transmitter which talks to a USB dongle presenting a MIDI interface on your computer.  Polyphonic, works very well by all accounts but not cheap (£319 is the best price I've seen in the UK).

2. You Rock Guitar YRG-1000 Gen2
Guitar-shaped MIDI controller, originally a kickstarter project I believe.  £174.94 on Amazon.  Polyphonic, very low latency (no waveform analysis required), some issues with hammer on/off, pitch bending and muting, but the reviews I've read are good and the device does its job very well by all accounts.
 
3. Jam Origin MIDI Guitar
A fully functional demo is available, so I installed it and gave it a spin last night.  Then I immediately bought it.  The tracking is very fast and accurate, and this is with default out-of-the-box settings; the software can be taught what your notes sound like for even better tracking accuracy.  It's polyphonic, and can be run stand-alone or as a VST plugin.  Best of all, it's cheap, circa £65 in the UK (but bear in mind that the government slaps VAT on top of that).  Still, by far the cheapest solution, with no altering of existing guitars or the addition of guitar-shaped objects taking up space in your home involved.  32-bit and 64-bit flavours are available for both the stand-alone app and the VST plugin.
 
http://jamorigin.com/products/midi-guitar/
 
 
 
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/10 08:33:44 (permalink)
This is a very cool concept/useage for us guitarists and there's a few in here that's been following the developement of this since it's beta release. Very nice to have your favorite synth being played through a fretboard. I haven't seen any updates for this since the final version was released (about 6 months ago?), but I have no complaints either. Good stuff here!!! 

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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/10 10:05:18 (permalink)
I've been meaning to try this for awhile, it looks like it's maturing since this thread:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/MidiGuitar-Software-m2749780.aspx
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/10 10:25:10 (permalink)
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I've been meaning to try this for awhile, it looks like it's maturing since this thread:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/MidiGuitar-Software-m2749780.aspx
 
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I think it's come a long way and the developer listened/implemented to a lot of the user/tester requests over at KVR. The only thing I wish it could do better is in picking up on the faster playing solo's, but at the same time, your playing technique has to adapt a bit to the synth/instrument you're playing.
Like Ston stated in the OP, this being polyphonic is a HUGE plus.....really nice to play chords (using synth pads ot whatever) on the guitar than using "boxing gloves" on a keyboard.

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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/10 11:49:22 (permalink)
Exactly right, your playing needs to adapt to the instrument you're controlling.  Also, I found myself playing completely different lines to what I might usually play on the guitar.  I've ordered a little hold pedal which I'm hoping to use with evolving pads, arpeggiated patches and the like (you can hold down a keyboard key indefinitely, but a guitar doesn't have infinite sustain).
 
There is quite a good monophonic-only box out there which is even cheaper and a nice 'n' tidy solution, which is the Sonuus G2M.  Looks like it's about the size of a very chunky 9V battery.  Guitar in one end, 5-pin MIDI out the other.
 
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/10 12:44:33 (permalink)
I wonder if Sonuus are going to bring out something new. They had a major sale of the G2M and i2M recently. Think it's still on from a few vendors. Certainly the i2M is half it's starting price.
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/10 13:10:55 (permalink)
How is that Sonus when soloing? (hammer-ons etc...)

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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/11 07:41:42 (permalink)
I love Jam. Works very well. That's how I input notes into Finale.  Be sure to turn off Finale's playback as that's what causes so much latency. Plus, you don't really need the playback to enter notes since you're hearing your guitar anyway. It's a much faster entry system than keyboard for me.
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/11 10:07:19 (permalink)
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This software can perhaps be best summed up with the phrase, "Jam Origin MIDI Guitar, where have you been all my life?!"
 
If you're like me and play the keyboard like somebody wearing boxing gloves, but can knock out a tune cleanly enough on a guitar, then this could be what you've been looking for.
 
Guitar-to-MIDI converters and MIDI controllers in a guitar-like shape have been around for some time, but have never been that good or affordable for me to take the plunge.  As Roland products are a complete non-starter for me, I'd recently narrowed the field down to the following:
 
1. Fishman Tripleplay Wireless Guitar Midi Controller
 
Bolt a slab of tech to your guitar, incorporating a hexaphonic pickup and wifi transmitter which talks to a USB dongle presenting a MIDI interface on your computer.  Polyphonic, works very well by all accounts but not cheap (£319 is the best price I've seen in the UK).

2. You Rock Guitar YRG-1000 Gen2
Guitar-shaped MIDI controller, originally a kickstarter project I believe.  £174.94 on Amazon.  Polyphonic, very low latency (no waveform analysis required), some issues with hammer on/off, pitch bending and muting, but the reviews I've read are good and the device does its job very well by all accounts.
 
3. Jam Origin MIDI Guitar
A fully functional demo is available, so I installed it and gave it a spin last night.  Then I immediately bought it.  The tracking is very fast and accurate, and this is with default out-of-the-box settings; the software can be taught what your notes sound like for even better tracking accuracy.  It's polyphonic, and can be run stand-alone or as a VST plugin.  Best of all, it's cheap, circa £65 in the UK (but bear in mind that the government slaps VAT on top of that).  Still, by far the cheapest solution, with no altering of existing guitars or the addition of guitar-shaped objects taking up space in your home involved.  32-bit and 64-bit flavours are available for both the stand-alone app and the VST plugin.
 
http://jamorigin.com/products/midi-guitar/
 
 
 
 




I downloaded the trial and I too am blown away. It works well at 64 samples on my rig. I'm paying for the license. Thanks for the heads up. Does anyone want to buy a YRG? I much rather work midi with a real guitar and now I can.
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/11 11:34:54 (permalink)
I will have to try this. I bought a You Rock Guitar last week - boxed it back up for RMA after about an hour with it.
 
I've tried the Sonuus, the Roland GK-2A pickup system... Man, I wish someone would get guitar midi right! 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/11 13:01:21 (permalink)
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I bought a You Rock Guitar last year - boxed it back up for RMA after about an hour with it.

Ditto.
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/11 13:30:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/03/11 15:21:42
Ever noticed that most of these type of products only ever work in other peoples videos. I think the best thing to do is to film yourself playing and it will be perfect.
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/11 15:59:22 (permalink)
I may still have that "we just met feeling" but Jam Origin Midi Guitar seems to be working really well here. I spent too much time trying to like the YRG. I should have sent it back like you guys did a long time ago.
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/11 20:48:43 (permalink)
This thing sounds to good to be true, after hearing what you guys are saying and experiencing, I think I will give it another home. That vid, is well . . . , the coolest thing I've seen since the last 'coolest thing' I saw. Off to buy . . . . . . .
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/11 22:01:56 (permalink)
Jeff,
 
Check out the demo first before buying. Make sure it works for your specific rig.
 
Can be set up real close for your specific input, but not a magic bullet that will replace an almost magic Roland hardware or whatever. You will have to relearn the instrument to adjust to response and pitch bend. Bend, my opinion is still in the fractured, fragile alpha stage.
 
This said, the only software that can remotely do what it can do. Respect to these guys to have pulled off midi recognition from a blast of audio waves. Can't get this level of function anywhere for any price. If you can play slower and methodical, the program works tolerably well.
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/11 22:35:21 (permalink)
What John said......The demo is fully functional. Take it for a test drive.
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/13 09:49:09 (permalink)
Have you guys figures out how to record the midi output of Midi Guitar to a midi track? There's not much documentation. Thanks
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/13 10:36:35 (permalink)
I found this info and it works. I didn't do #4 but don't forget to right click in the grey area of the synth in the synth rack and enable midi output.
 
Cakewalk SonarWe are still trying to understand whats going on with Sonar.
( Quoted from MoreK at KVR Forum: RE Sonar X2 & MIDI Guitar )
It did, thanks a lot!
What I missed was the MIDI Guitar pop-up menu in the Synth rack. Clicking the keyboard icon with right mouse button gives a menu with no “Enable MIDI Output” option. You have to click grey area of the synth and you’ll get a different menu with the MIDI output option.
So, to summarize the whole setup:
  1. Copy VST plugin to your VST folder
  2. Launch Sonar. It should automatically recognize the new plug-in and create needed registry entries (ie you should see the plug-in as an effect in Audio FX menu). If not, use Plug-in Manager to scan new plug-ins.
  3. Use Cakewalk Plug-in Manager, find MIDI Guitar in Effects section and open “Plug-in Properties”. Enable “Configure as synth” option.
  4. Close Sonar and use Regedit to change generateEvents key from “0″ to “1″ in HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareCakewalk Music SoftwareSONAR ProducerCakewalk VST X64Inventory -> MIDI Guitar
  5. Launch Sonar. Add new audio track. Insert MIDI Guitar (now found in Soft Synths menu) to FX bin.
  6. Go to Synth rack view. Right click grey area of the MIDI Guitar synth block and click “Enable MIDI Output”.
That’s it. Add your favourite synth to a new track and route MIDI input from MIDI Guitar, which should be visible in MIDI input menu.
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/13 11:46:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/03/13 12:00:11
Starting with X3 the instructions are a little different. It is no longer necessary to configure any plug-in as a synth to get MIDI data from it and the scanner is smart enough to set the generateEvents key value correctly. Also the location of the registry changed with the new SONAR which does not matter since the regedit step is skipped.
  1. Copy the MIDI Guitar plug-in to the VST folder
  2. Launch SONAR. If the plug-in is no listed in the Audio FX list, run the VST scanner.
  3. Create or open a project.
  4. Add new audio track, set the input to a mono source (or use an existing mono track). Insert MIDI Guitar into FX bin or ProChannel. To record MIDI data from MIDI Guitar MIDI, using the VST2 drop down in the plug-in header click “Enable MIDI Output” otherwise load a synth plug-in directly into the instrument output of MIDI Guitar, enable input echo on and skip step 5.
  5. Add a new synh or change the input to an existing synth to MIDI Guitar. Make sure both the MIDI Guitar audio track and the synth (Instrument or MIDI) track have input echo enabled.
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/03/13 21:01:12 (permalink)
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Jeff,
 Check out the demo first before buying. Make sure it works for your specific rig.
John



bluzdog
What John said......The demo is fully functional. Take it for a test drive.
 
Rocky

 
Done and done, it works surprisingly well, and I would say it is only going to get better, or should. Brought it, already got my $135AU worth out of it just messing around having fun yesterday and last night, (if you consider a night at the local would cost a bit more than $135)  so a bargain. I see what you mean by having to adapt your playing style, but you get used to it fairly quickly.
Glad I came across this thread
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/04/29 12:09:25 (permalink)
i bought a license for Jam Origin's MIDI Guitar last night immediately after testing the demo version of the new beta 2.0.  as one who once had a Roland guitar synth (which was clunky and too slow w/latency when using soft synths) & a Sonuus device, the beta 2.0 version of MIDI Guitar test drive for me was awesome.  the only weird thing was if i would stop playing, sometimes the software would generate random sounds (which would stop once i started playing again).  can't wait for this 2.0 to come out of beta so that it has a vst (the beta is standalone only for the time being).  last night was the first time i ever played softsynths on a guitar where i actually had fun

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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/04/29 13:03:59 (permalink)
This guy seems to be happy with the new version :-)
 
https://www.facebook.com/...2836421125172/?fref=nf
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/04/30 04:18:22 (permalink)
Wow, got to get me some v2 action :-)
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/06/21 17:21:38 (permalink)
i am using MIDI Guitar 2 beta 8.  is there a way to record the MIDI without having to hear the actual guitar?  no matter what i try, the guitar sound is always there & that can be distracting when all i want to hear is the synth sound.  also, the beta 8 vst is crashing left and right (today is the first time trying out the vst), anyone else getting lots of crashes?

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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/06/21 19:41:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/06/22 08:42:47
Hi wetdentist
 I have never used the Quad Capture, but with the Focusrite interfaces you can just turn down the software fader for the channel the guitar is plugged into. The signal is still routed to Midi Guitar but the unprocessed guitar signal is no longer being sent to the monitor or headphone output. Also what I have been doing lately is to plug the guitar into a direct box and use the pass through to send the guitar to a GT-001 and the output of the direct box is sent to the audio interface, this gives me control over the guitar sound and the mix of processed guitar and Midi Guitar sound. Hope this helps   Dan
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/06/22 02:49:14 (permalink)
Hi Wet Dentist,
 
In the Guitar Output section, set AMP/EFFECT to NONE.
 
cheers
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/06/23 07:23:51 (permalink)
hi King Windom, your solution was correct! thanks for that. also, the crashes were not due to MIDI Guitar 2 but rather having Maschine 2.3 in the project.  once i delete Maschine, no more crashing

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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/06/23 08:59:43 (permalink)
 
 
Glad to hear you got it working. Midi Guitar is no end of fun. I am looking forward to future updates.    Dan
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/07/02 18:28:10 (permalink)
Guys,
 
Couple cool things about MidiGuitar.
 
They took out the manual calibration, but you can still fine tune the response by splicing in a transparent gain control in series before MidiGuitar to tweak the gain.
 
One of the best is FreeG. Free also as in free...
 
https://www.sonalksis.com/freeg.htm
 
Chosing the synth wisely, some great responses by putting an arp plug in the chain. Blue Arp only one of the freebies out there.
 
http://graywolf2004.net/wp/
 
Played around with MidiGuitar more closely, and it is a revolution in the making. Anticipating what they say will be done with bend and vibrato response.
 
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Re: Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2015/07/03 20:57:34 (permalink)
Thanks for the updates and suggestions. They've come such a long way since I first tried them. Completely surpassing the tracking ability of the Sonuus G2M and my old Casio DG-20. Looking forward to pitch bend being enabled again though.

Me
 
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