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Re: Jazz-Rock song - Opportunity
2015/07/13 12:58:57
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Hi Andrew, very good composition/playing and production (listening on my H-phones). If I had to crit anything at all (just my personal taste here), but I thought the bass could come up a bit on the mix (the mids seem to stand out a bit more and seemed slightly brittle). Still, this is an outstanding performance/playing (Larry Carlton-esq) and I enjoyed listening to it.
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Re: Jazz-Rock song - Opportunity
2015/07/13 14:51:47
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Hi Andrew, I'm listening on headphones too I'm afraid, so I'm thinking the same as Mesh, in that the bass could perhaps come up just a smidge. Always a tough one commenting on bass, especially on flat mixing 'phones... I'd like to ask, is there a Hammond, or something similar, panned to the left? It seems to be fighting with the guitar that appears to be occupying a similar space. Nice guitar lead... I like it... I rarely listen to jazz-rock, which is daft, seeing as so many prog rock stuff is influenced by this style (in my opinion, I should note...). cheers andy
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Axiology
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Re: Jazz-Rock song - Opportunity
2015/07/14 11:12:20
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synkrotron Hi Andrew, I'm listening on headphones too I'm afraid, so I'm thinking the same as Mesh, in that the bass could perhaps come up just a smidge. Always a tough one commenting on bass, especially on flat mixing 'phones... I'd like to ask, is there a Hammond, or something similar, panned to the left? It seems to be fighting with the guitar that appears to be occupying a similar space. Nice guitar lead... I like it... I rarely listen to jazz-rock, which is daft, seeing as so many prog rock stuff is influenced by this style (in my opinion, I should note...). cheers andy
Thanks for your comments, mesh and andy. I may change the EQ a little on the bass to make it stand out a little more, though it seems at a good volume to me, I can hear all the notes. The Hammond sound is an Electro-Harmonix B9 guitar pedal. I'm not a good enough keyboard player to do it properly, the main progression changes key every two bars. Maybe if I practiced it for a month...It's only meant to be a background pad sort of thing. It might be a little too much. I'll try with it turned down a bit and change the panning.
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Re: Jazz-Rock song - Opportunity
2015/07/14 12:34:23
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Andrew, I used to play in my high school jazz band, so this caught my attention. The song and performances are very nice, and what I was hoping to hear. However, the mix seemed a little off to my less than golden ears. The snare seems very loud and dominant, and the right channel seems louder than the left or middle. The vocal is a good one and could come up a few db's. You may be able to hear all the bass notes, but maybe that's because you played them; I think the bass could come up a bit, too, as it's not as loud as the snare. Other than that, this song is a gem waiting for the right mix and is well worth the time to do so. Best to you!
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Re: Jazz-Rock song - Opportunity
2015/07/17 10:38:15
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Thanks for sharing - Good Job!
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Re: Jazz-Rock song - Opportunity
2015/07/23 14:40:05
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Mix-wise I think the rhythm guitar is a touch overpowering in comparison to the rest of the rhythm section - without the lead guitar or vocals I'm not sure it would sound like a balanced "band". Also, the snare seems a bit far to the right for my tastes, and while the bass is light I'm not feeling the kick either. Personally I think the song deserves a "phatter" mix. But composition and performance-wise, I liked it! Nice chord changes and melodies, and the lead guitar is sweet. Great playing.
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Re: Jazz-Rock song - Opportunity
2015/07/24 16:54:58
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New version up, I've updated the recording a couple of times since I first posted it, so people have been commenting on different versions. Anyway...
Stevec- at some point I made an error with the rhythm guitar. I miked it with two mikes, the first mike close to amp grill and second mike at a distance. I originally had the first one panned hard left and the second one panned close to centre and at a much lower volume than the first. As I'm using automation I often tweak the volumes by adjusting the output of the compressor on the channels. Somehow I ended up with the second rhythm mike louder than the first. I noticed something had changed but I wasn't sure what and started tweaking other things to compensate, until I looked into it after your comments.
I see your point about the snare being too far right and have changed that.
Lynn, the snare varies a lot in volume, as it should for a tune like this, most of the snare hits are offbeat. Some of them were a bit loud but the snare sounds so good to me I like to hear a few good solid whacks in places. The right channel is a bit louder than the left during the guitar solos - that's the way it is. I have the guitar panned there. I could pan it to the middle, but that's not what I'm after - The big mono type mix with everything at the centre. I could turn up the rhythm guitar on the left but then that would be too loud.
Andy, the hammond sound I moved to about 30% to the right and it sounds better there, no longer fighting against the rhythm guitar. The bass is a bit louder as well, now.
Thanks All, Andrew
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Re: Jazz-Rock song - Opportunity
2015/07/24 17:40:10
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how did you get Carlos Santana to play on your debut album ? (that's a compliment ofcourse). enjoyed listening, and really dig the end, it's original and guess quite some listeners are amazed by a musician just daring to do these kind of endings....seriously, think that's awesome. I remember often listeners just really are wanting musicians to be 'brave' and original and do things out of the ordinary. It's just impressive I think.
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Re: Jazz-Rock song - Opportunity
2015/07/24 20:35:18
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Re: Jazz-Rock song - Opportunity
2015/07/27 13:10:15
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The good - the lead guitar has a really nice tone! The slightly less good - I think you need to look at your drum editing. There are quite a few instances where your drums, particularly the snare, does not come in on the beat you are trying to achieve. This is a very rhythmically complex song, so some fine-tooth comb snare placement editing is essential. When I have to do this, I find it incredibly tedious, which it is. But it will pay you tremendous dividends. the song has a captivating quality and I think it's a keeper. It's like a Grateful Dead jazz tune. cheers, -Tom
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Re: Jazz-Rock song - Opportunity
2015/07/29 12:23:35
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Another new improved version posted... https://axiology.bandcamp.com/track/opportunity-2 Tom, Thanks for your input. I was hoping not to get into too much editing of timing of individual drum hits. The drum track was created using 2 or 3 16 bar jazz improv sequences from the Jazz EZX in Superior Drummer. The sequences are not quantized. Looking at individual notes - there's a fair amount of variation in timings. I think the sequences in SD are created from real drummers performances. I originally copied and pasted snare and tom licks, deleted/muted some hits but not much input of individual notes, except to tame the bass drum which was too busy. I do see what you mean, perhaps some errors where made while copying and pasting. As well not so much a matter of timing but the drums had to fit well with the phrasing of the vocals. So I spent couple of long evenings editing, largely in the intro, verses and the bit between the 1st and 2nd verse, and the outro which uses the same chord progression. I've largely left the drums in the solos after the second and third verses alone except to boost the velocities of the snare and tom stuff to give it a more punchy drive. No way I want to get into adjusting timing of hits in those sections, except for the bass drum - it would be a nightmare and probably no improvement, althoughI have adjusted velocities and muted some hits in there. I played the guitar to fit the drums in those bits, it's usually the other way round. I almost came to the point of shortening the last solo section, removing the 16 bars of chaotic drums there, but I really liked that bit of drumming and if it was to work I had to come up with guitar and bass bits that fitted the drums, so subsequently I'm pleased with the way it turned out. Thanks everybody whose listened, and for your comments. The guitar solo stuff is all pretty much composed and not improvised, it took me over a month of work to do the guitars. The solos being relatively long, I can't just be aimlessly noodling in there. I'd love to be practiced enough to play like that off the cuff. Andrew
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Re: Jazz-Rock song - Opportunity
2015/08/03 11:58:30
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Well, I guess I'm lisening to the new version but I have the same feelings about the bass. Yes it's clear but just seems to be setting by itself. I wish I had the skills to describe it or make mix suggestions. I'm just imagining this with a deep bottom and personally believe it would give the song a great feel.It's all played well, but the bass just doesn't fit. Now, as I said this is all just my opinion.
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