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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/27 16:28:15
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Define 'new album'? Doing some reading about it, it seems that the claim of '12 previously unreleased tracks' is somewhat spurious - 11 of them are alternative versions of tracks already released, plus one new track, seemingly a studio jam with sax player Lonnie Youngblood. Early verdict - yet more barrel-scraping.
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/27 17:01:15
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There are a handful of songs where Jimi's lyrics are speaking of an other place. Those are some of my favorites. I've never heard Somewhere before... it seems like one of those songs I'm thinking about. Thanks for the link. best regards, mike
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/27 17:03:32
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well, 'new album', would be any album released that had not been released before. in this form, it is a new album. Define 'new album'? jamesg1213 Define 'new album'?
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/27 17:11:17
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Well, yeah..you could rearrange the tracklisting on Electric Ladyland and call it a 'new album'. There have been 9 or 10 posthumous albums in the last 42 years, surely it's time to stop?
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/27 17:38:09
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what makes you think these are previously released songs?
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
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Virtual Jimi? The "heirs would love that!! I think Jimi would have come back from the grave to stop the release of Cry of Love if he could have. It was a good album but he was a stickler about the production. I really think if his wishes were respected, his albums would haved ended when he died... but money. It is really hard to believe they have an album of new material to release. I think that Frank's family coud release new live FZ albums for a long time but they saved "good" Jimi material for 40 years... I doubt it. They must have found something or acquired something that someone else had. J
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/27 18:01:23
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jbow It is really hard to believe they have an album of new material to release. but they do.
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/27 18:03:10
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I may have to rethink that new album of Gregorian chants featuring never before released tracks by Pope Stephen "Wonder" II.
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/27 18:04:10
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Is the estate still managed by the Hendrix family? I thought they were doing great when they took over in the mid 90s and gave us proper versions of material that had been butchered by Douglas. Then they started releasing bootlegs and demos and alt. versions and jams... That's more like pillaging to me, as big a fan as I am ,and even if I do suffer from that morbid curiosity and always want to hear every last bit...
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/27 18:50:12
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‘First Rays of the New Rising Sun,’ ‘South Saturn Delta’ and ‘Valleys of Neptune,’ are the best posthumous Hendrix albums. i really like first rays....... this is more like song sketches that he blows thru with killer guitar, but aren't polished songs. from an amazon review: People, Hell & Angels is a new album of twelve never before released Jimi Hendrix studio recordings. This special album showcases the legendary guitarist working outside of the original Jimi Hendrix Experience trio. Beginning in 1968, Jimi Hendrix grew restless, eager to develop new material with old friends and new ensembles. Outside the view of a massive audience that had established the Experience as rock’s largest grossing concert act and simultaneously placed two of his albums together in the US Top 10 sales chart, Jimi was busy working behind the scenes to craft his next musical statement. Earth Blues: Totally unlike the version first issued as part of Rainbow Bridge in 1971, this December 19, 1969 master take features just Hendrix, Cox and Miles—stripped down funk at its very origin. Somewhere: This newly discovered gem was recorded in March 1968 and features Buddy Miles on drums and Stephen Stills on bass. Entirely different from any previous version fans have heard. Hear My Train A Comin’: This superb recording was drawn from Jimi’s first ever recording session with Billy Cox & Buddy Miles—the rhythm section with whom he would later record the groundbreaking album Band Of Gypsys. Bleeding Heart: This Elmore James masterwork had long been a favorite of Jimi’s. Recorded at the same May 1969 session as “Hear My Train A Coming,” Jimi had a firm understanding of the arrangement and tempo he desired. Before they began, Jimi instructed Cox and Miles that he wanted to establish a totally different beat than the standard arrangement. He then kicked off this amazing rendition unlike any other he had ever attempted. Let Me Move You: In March 1969, Jimi reached back to another old friend, saxophonist Lonnie Youngblood. Before he was discovered by Chas Chandler in the summer of 1966, Jimi had contributed guitar for Youngblood and such infectious rhythm and blues styled singles such as “Soul Food”. This March 1969 session features Hendrix and Youngblood trading licks on this never before heard, high velocity rock and soul classic. Izabella: In the aftermath of the Woodstock festival, Jimi gathered his new ensemble, Gypsy Sun & Rainbows at the Hit Factory in August 1969 with engineer Eddie Kramer. “Izabella” had been one of the new songs the guitarist introduced at the Woodstock festival and Jimi was eager to perfect a studio version. This new version is markedly different from the Band Of Gypsys 45 rpm single master issued by Reprise Records in 1970 and features Larry Lee, Jimi’s old friend on rhythm guitar. Easy Blues: An edited extract of this gorgeous, free flowing instrumental was briefly issued as part of the long out of print, 1981 album Nine To The Universe. Now nearly twice as long, fans can enjoy the dramatic interplay between Jimi, second guitarist Larry Lee, Billy Cox and drummer Mitch Mitchell. Crash Landing: Perhaps known as the title song for the controversial 1975 album that featured Hendrix master recordings posthumously overdubbed by session musicians, this April 1969 original recording has never been heard before. Jimi is joined here by Billy Cox and drummer Rocky Isaac of the Cherry People to record this thinly veiled warning to his girlfriend Devon Wilson. Inside Out: Jimi was fascinated by the rhythm pattern which would ultimately take form as “Ezy Ryder”. Joined here by Mitch Mitchell, Jimi recorded all of the bass and guitar parts for this fascinating song--including a dramatic lead guitar part amplified through a Leslie organ speaker. Hey Gypsy Boy: The roots of Jimi’s majestic “Hey Baby (New Rising Sun)” trace themselves to this March 1969 recording. Unlike the posthumously overdubbed version briefly issued as part of Midnight Lightning in 1975, this is original recording that features Jimi joined by Buddy Miles. Mojo Man: Jimi lends a hand to Albert & Arthur Allen, the vocalists known as the Ghetto Fighters, whom he had befriended in Harlem long before he achieved fame with the Experience. When the two recorded this inspired, previously unreleased master at the legendary Fame Studios in Muscle Shoals, Alabama they took it back to Hendrix at Electric Lady Studios. Jimi knew just what to do to elevate the recording beyond contemporary R & B to the new hybrid of rock, rhythm and blues he was celebrated for. Villanova Junction Blues: Long before his famous performance of this song at Woodstock, Jimi recorded this studio version with Billy Cox and Buddy Miles at the same May 1969 session which yielded “Hear My Train A Comin’” and “Bleeding Heart” also featured on this album. Never fully finished, the song stands as an example of the fertile ideas he hoped to harness.
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/27 23:58:28
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First, I Am a bigger Hendrix fan than you! The recordings I heard were Jimi alright. His playing is emaculate! I agree they were sketches he was building from. It makes me sick to think of what we would have heard from him had he lived. LONG LIVE JIMI HENDRIX's MUSIC!!!
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/28 05:16:46
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Totally agreed about First Rays, South Saturn and Valleys of Neptune. First Rays in particular is quintessential Hendrix, IMHO.
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/28 07:47:40
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batsbrew what makes you think these are previously released songs? This is from 'Antiquiet' Title: Earth Blues Is it actually new? – No. Where was it featured? – The 1997 posthumous release First rays of the Rising Sun, arguably one of the best, and closest to “final” version of a fourth Jimi Hendrix LP that ever came to be. It was also the first attempt at a posthumous studio effort by Experience Hendrix. Title: Somewhere Is it actually new? – No. Where was it featured before? – The pretty solid 4-disc box set titled The Jimi Hendrix Experience released in 2000 and featuring Somewhere as one of its highlights. The new version is supposed to be “entirely different.” Title: Hear My Train A Comin’ Is it actually new? – Certainly not. Where was it featured before? – Everywhere. You don’t have to go far to find various different versions of this track. Title: Bleeding Heart Is it actually new? – Hell no. Where was it featured before? - Valleys of Neptune, the record released just two years ago by Experience Hendrix, hyped as what would’ve been the “fourth” studio effort by The Jimi Hendrix Experience. Sounds familiar? Title: Let Me Move You Is it actually new? - Yes. According to the press release: “In March 1969, Jimi reached back to another old friend, saxophonist Lonnie Youngblood. [...] This session features Hendrix and Youngblood trading licks throughout this never before heard, high velocity rock and soul classic.” Though we’ll have to see whether this sounds like an actual song, or a mere studio jam. Title: Izabella Is it actually new? – No. Where was it featured before? – The aforementioned First Rays of the New Rising Sun. Title: Easy Blues Is it actually new? – No. Where was it featured before? – As the press release itself states, an edited, 4-minutes-long version was featured on the 1981 posthumous release Nine to the Universe The new version on People, Hell and Angels is said to be nearly twice as long. Title: Crash Landing Is it actually new? – No. Where was it featured before? – Crash Landing, the infamous posthumous album of the same name, which unfortunately featured session musicians overdubbing the original recording. If anything, it’ll be nice to hear the real version Title: Inside Out Is it actually new? – Sort of. Where was it featured before? – If the press release is to be believed, this is an early version of the track Ezy Ryder which was featured on the first posthumous Hendrix release, The Cry of Love as well as First Rays of the New Rising Sun. We’ll have to see how different it is when the record is released. Title: Hey Gypsy Boy Is it actually new? – No. Where was it featured before? - Midnight Lightning, yet another posthumous album, where a more advanced version of the song was included under the title Hey Baby (New Rising Sun). It was also on (again) First Rays of the New Rising Sun. Title: Mojo Man Is it actually new? – No. Where was it featured before? – This came out as a single by The Ghetto Fighters late last year. The press release further explains: “Jimi would lend a hand to Albert & Arthur Allen, the vocalists known as the Ghetto Fighters, whom he had befriended in Harlem long before he achieved fame with the Experience. When the two recorded this inspired, previously unreleased master at the legendary Fame Studios in Muscle Shoals, Alabama they took it back to Hendrix at Electric Lady Studios.” Title: Villanova Junction Blues Is it actually new? – No. Where was it featured before? – 2006 compilation album Burning Desire. The press release for People, Hell and Angels states that this song was “never fully finished” by Hendrix. The review in 'Ultimate Classic Rock' says pretty much the same, giving it 6/10.
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/28 13:41:56
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you know, even SRV did a bunch of different versions of the same song... i think with these guys, who are veritable walking dictionaries of blues style, stealing riffs (ala Zep) and re-imagining versions of songs was just their way of trying to find the 'best version' in their heads... i guess for Hendrix aficionados, its worth it to hear him stretching out on different solos so really, it's new in the sense that it's a different version. maybe sounding new is good enough.
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/28 13:47:00
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Yep, that's true. Don't mind me Bats, I'm just a cynical old git. If I was a Hendrix afficionado I'd probably buy it just for the jam with Youngblood.
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/28 16:52:26
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batsbrew ‘First Rays of the New Rising Sun,’ ‘South Saturn Delta’ and ‘Valleys of Neptune,’ are the best posthumous Hendrix albums. i really like first rays....... this is more like song sketches that he blows thru with killer guitar, but aren't polished songs. from an amazon review: People, Hell & Angels is a new album of twelve never before released Jimi Hendrix studio recordings. This special album showcases the legendary guitarist working outside of the original Jimi Hendrix Experience trio. Beginning in 1968, Jimi Hendrix grew restless, eager to develop new material with old friends and new ensembles. Outside the view of a massive audience that had established the Experience as rock’s largest grossing concert act and simultaneously placed two of his albums together in the US Top 10 sales chart, Jimi was busy working behind the scenes to craft his next musical statement. Earth Blues: Totally unlike the version first issued as part of Rainbow Bridge in 1971, this December 19, 1969 master take features just Hendrix, Cox and Miles—stripped down funk at its very origin. Somewhere: This newly discovered gem was recorded in March 1968 and features Buddy Miles on drums and Stephen Stills on bass. Entirely different from any previous version fans have heard. Hear My Train A Comin’: This superb recording was drawn from Jimi’s first ever recording session with Billy Cox & Buddy Miles—the rhythm section with whom he would later record the groundbreaking album Band Of Gypsys. Bleeding Heart: This Elmore James masterwork had long been a favorite of Jimi’s. Recorded at the same May 1969 session as “Hear My Train A Coming,” Jimi had a firm understanding of the arrangement and tempo he desired. Before they began, Jimi instructed Cox and Miles that he wanted to establish a totally different beat than the standard arrangement. He then kicked off this amazing rendition unlike any other he had ever attempted. Let Me Move You: In March 1969, Jimi reached back to another old friend, saxophonist Lonnie Youngblood. Before he was discovered by Chas Chandler in the summer of 1966, Jimi had contributed guitar for Youngblood and such infectious rhythm and blues styled singles such as “Soul Food”. This March 1969 session features Hendrix and Youngblood trading licks on this never before heard, high velocity rock and soul classic. Izabella: In the aftermath of the Woodstock festival, Jimi gathered his new ensemble, Gypsy Sun & Rainbows at the Hit Factory in August 1969 with engineer Eddie Kramer. “Izabella” had been one of the new songs the guitarist introduced at the Woodstock festival and Jimi was eager to perfect a studio version. This new version is markedly different from the Band Of Gypsys 45 rpm single master issued by Reprise Records in 1970 and features Larry Lee, Jimi’s old friend on rhythm guitar. Easy Blues: An edited extract of this gorgeous, free flowing instrumental was briefly issued as part of the long out of print, 1981 album Nine To The Universe. Now nearly twice as long, fans can enjoy the dramatic interplay between Jimi, second guitarist Larry Lee, Billy Cox and drummer Mitch Mitchell. Crash Landing: Perhaps known as the title song for the controversial 1975 album that featured Hendrix master recordings posthumously overdubbed by session musicians, this April 1969 original recording has never been heard before. Jimi is joined here by Billy Cox and drummer Rocky Isaac of the Cherry People to record this thinly veiled warning to his girlfriend Devon Wilson. Inside Out: Jimi was fascinated by the rhythm pattern which would ultimately take form as “Ezy Ryder”. Joined here by Mitch Mitchell, Jimi recorded all of the bass and guitar parts for this fascinating song--including a dramatic lead guitar part amplified through a Leslie organ speaker. Hey Gypsy Boy: The roots of Jimi’s majestic “Hey Baby (New Rising Sun)” trace themselves to this March 1969 recording. Unlike the posthumously overdubbed version briefly issued as part of Midnight Lightning in 1975, this is original recording that features Jimi joined by Buddy Miles. Mojo Man: Jimi lends a hand to Albert & Arthur Allen, the vocalists known as the Ghetto Fighters, whom he had befriended in Harlem long before he achieved fame with the Experience. When the two recorded this inspired, previously unreleased master at the legendary Fame Studios in Muscle Shoals, Alabama they took it back to Hendrix at Electric Lady Studios. Jimi knew just what to do to elevate the recording beyond contemporary R & B to the new hybrid of rock, rhythm and blues he was celebrated for. Villanova Junction Blues: Long before his famous performance of this song at Woodstock, Jimi recorded this studio version with Billy Cox and Buddy Miles at the same May 1969 session which yielded “Hear My Train A Comin’” and “Bleeding Heart” also featured on this album. Never fully finished, the song stands as an example of the fertile ideas he hoped to harness. You know, that sound's good. My "mentality" has changed over the years but Jimi will always be a huge influence on me. Some of it I have a hrad time listening to even though I like the music, some of the "message" has become disagreeable to me because of the place in my life it takes me back to... if that makes any sense... still, I keep Axis handy. I have a box set that came out a few years ago. I have Experienced? and Ladyand on LP. Maybe Cry of Love too. Oh, and the Fillmore concert on CD. Amazing stuff when you consider the time and tech. I wonder what he would have evolved into had he not been left to die by someone afraid to call for help.. what a shame but it is what it is. I will probably get this album. Where are the new Elvis records? The new BEATLES records?? Paul, Ringo, and the dragon lady have to be sitting on tapes and alternate takes... maybe even unreleased songs. Have you seen the full concert of Jimi "Rainbow Bridge" at Maui? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9k5LQJS33o there are shorter versions all over YT if you search Jimi Hendrix Maui. Chris Squire relating his first meeting Jimi, it is really well told, funny, and worth watching. Chris had no idea who he was... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo-lBnTc3So J
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/28 17:20:09
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Michael Jackson bought all the rights to the Beatle's work and look what good that did for him...
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
2013/02/28 17:23:30
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jbow Where are the new Elvis records? The new BEATLES records?? Paul, Ringo, and the dragon lady have to be sitting on tapes and alternate takes... maybe even unreleased songs. I saw an interview with George Martin one time. It was an interview from the mid 60's IIRC. Someone was questioning if they would be able to keep putting out hit music and his reply was that they had already recorded enough music to put out hits well in to the 70's. Some of their songs went in to the primary writers solo albums when they broke up, so I imagine that presents some problems with releasing them under The Beatles name as well. I'm pretty much done with the Hendrix stuff. It's the same music re-wrapped over and over again. I'll just wait for it to show up on u - toob.
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
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This sparked a memory I'd felt like sharing. It was in '72 I met a picker from Austin, TX. He drove to New Mexico to meet me and jam. We had some great times as he continued to make the trip many times. He was a major Hendrix fan and it was hard to tell it wasn't Hendrix playing...now what is cool about the memory is that he was the original Stevie Ray...I mean the guy dressed-had the hat...everything about him...and his guitar works...all many years before SRV. Great times cruisin in his big old pink, big fin Cadillac gettin' high on guitars.
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I saw Jimi in concert at the Coventry Theatre, 19th November 1967. Front row seats. Changed my life. Don't mind me, just reminiscing.....!
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
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Hi, There are a lot more things by Jimi Hendrix that will never get released until the owners of the stuff wake up. To them, it's not about the art, or the work, and it never has been, and they will continue one song per year until no one cares anymore. Sadly, there are many artists in Europe that had fun with Jimi, and their family is too stuck up to mention them, because they do not want to share a penny or two with them. One of these, Bo Hansson, actually gave him a different name, so he could have fun. But there are others, and one of the out-takes of the "Let It Be" film that we will never see, is Jimi doing "Daytripper" with the Beatles ... and ripping it! There also is around, many duets with Jimi and a variety of folks ... including many moments with Soft Machine ... that somehow, no one ever saw or heard ... which means that someone thinks that it is crap and they are not releasing it! Until then, none of this stuff is worth listening to ... it's all a rehash of the same crap! Even him jamming with Soft Machine would be more interesting than half this stuff!
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Re:Jimi Hendrix - "People, Hell and Angels"
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batsbrew new album. discuss. https://soundcloud.com/pr...imed-comment-at-217071 NEAT!!! I just seen that on CBS News this morning. Jimis long time friends who did all his original stuff back in the day is digging thru the closet pulling out all the old stuff never released. Even had Jimis sister on talking about it all.
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