BachFugue
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Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
Hello, everybody. I input classical organ works into Sonar and have it play them back. It's a great deal of fun but there are many problems. [ That should hold us for now. I eagerly await your input, because this has been extremely frustrating. Thanks in advance!
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/02 02:58:00
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Welcome. I'm not sure, what you want us to fire away with exactly. Wow Sonar 7. That was a long time ago, 6 versions in fact.
If you're having so much frustration why not go ahead and ask us some questions. Be as specific as you can.
Also, give us an idea about the equipment you use too, as that will help us help you. I'm using a portable device at the moment so can't see if you have that info in your signature but if not that's where most of us put it.
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Kev999
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/02 23:20:30
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I stuck with Sonar 7 for a long time without upgrading, so maybe I can help. I still have it installed too.
What's the problem? Please be specific.
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BachFugue
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/05 15:07:00
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OK, it won't accept long posts or maybe big pastes. To give you the whole picture takes 573 words but only fragments and left-brackets show here. In essence, I use a Rodgers digital church organ or a Casio Privia keyboard to input great classical music into Sonar on a Windows 7 Toshiba P875 laptop via M-Audio Midisport USB interface. I own two of the latter because every 4 to 6 weeks the equipment stops communicating. Then i have to switch Midisports (I have two) and reboot. (Sometimes I can unplug the interface from the computer, plug it back in and proceed but most of the time doing so permanently loses the connection.) But within each 4-6 week period it will only allow a total of about 5-10 hours' Sonar work before I have to remove and reinstall the program. Rebooting isn't normally required at such times. When the failures occur, first inputting will stop and then it won't do playback either. It has a mind of its own -- it won't recognize a second reinstall of Sonar a second time in the same work session. It's as if it hates me or is jinxed. I like to use a MIDI cable extender but sometimes have to take it out after an hour or two and connect the interface directly to the laptop for it to work. I seem to recall that it sometimes insists I do the reverse as well. How to get it working consistently like most other things do? I have no idea whether it's the computer, Midisport or Sonar. it simply makes no sense. Any help you can give will be MOST appreciated.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/05 15:53:58
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Please post your full system specs. Is your virus scanner up to date? Also try malwarebytes. I would do a full scan everywhere. When is the last time you ran windows update? Update your midisports driver and firmware here: http://www.m-audio.com/support/drivers You may consider a wipe and a complete reinstall of the OS if things are getting really out of hand.
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ampfixer
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/05 16:10:40
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Regards, John I want to make it clear that I am an Eedjit. I have no direct, or indirect, knowledge of business, the music industry, forum threads or the meaning of life. I know about amps. WIN 10 Pro X64, I7-3770k 16 gigs, ASUS Z77 pro, AMD 7950 3 gig, Steinberg UR44, A-Pro 500, Sonar Platinum, KRK Rokit 6
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BachFugue
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/08 20:23:32
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Doktor Avalanche Please post your full system specs. Is your virus scanner up to date? Also try malwarebytes. I would do a full scan everywhere. When is the last time you ran windows update? Update your midisports driver and firmware here:
You may consider a wipe and a complete reinstall of the OS if things are getting really out of hand.
Toshiba Satellite P875 S7200 682GB 64bit CPU @ 2.50 GHz 6GB RAM All my virus stuff is kept up to date, the M-audio drivers ditto. I use Malwarebytes and CCleaner often. Windows Update within the past 6 mos (problem is several years old). A wipe would be complicated, and everything else is working. A friend told me to try the Roland UM1 interface. Finally I saw Guitarcenter was carrying it and have been using it occasionally this week. Very consistent so far, but it's nowhere near the usual crisis point. I will say that even when only the larger of Sonar's action indicators was moving onscreen, I was still able to sequence with the UM1. A refreshing change -- if it lasts! A CD came with it. I tried using the UM1 without any installation -- absolutely no lights coming on, which is obviously normal. After installation it's working fine -- so far. I feel certain no CD came with the Midisports and installation, while desirable, wasn't necessary. That could tell us something. The UM1 gets good reviews, so who knows, it may be the thing -- but I'd really like to get the Midisports working consistently too, because I've put $80 into them and feel the urgent need for spares of everything. Am not assuming they are the problem, but obviously they're a person of interest. ;-)
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/08 22:58:50
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If Windows update has been left for six months you should run it.
Did you click on the link for updated drivers and firmware?
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BachFugue
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/09 00:53:52
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Been doing Windows update from time to time -- doesn't seem to make a bit of difference. Just did it again, will see if it helps when next at the organ. There was no link for updated drivers and firmware. searching update drivers via the start menu, Update device drivers is a choice. Brings up a list of things original to the computer -- batteries, disk drives, display adapters etc. and their sublists. "Universal service bus controllers" has a longer one: Generic USB hub Generic USB hub Intel(R) 7 Series/C216 Chipset family USB enhanced host controller -- 1E26 Intel(R) 7 Series/C216 Chipset family USB enhanced host controller -- 1E2D Intel(R) USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller Intel(R) USB 3.0 eXtensible Root Hub USB Composite Device USB Root Hub USB Root Hub System Devices has a list of about 25, also factory-looking stuff. It seems you can only update one item at a time -- none of the usual tricks for multi-selection works. Actually I don't see anywhere to click to update! The closest think to it is an "Action" menu atop the list, but the only changes there are Scan for hardware changes, Add legacy hardware, Properties, and Help. Windows help rarely covers what I happen to be looking for somehow.
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BachFugue
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/13 08:23:09
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Hello again, folks. Situation update...... Sunday morning my first act was to try playing a recent sequence (richter leuchtet for my reference) with the USB extender cord between the Roland UM1 and the computer -- UM1 is shorter than Midisport. Didn't work, just as it so often (but not always/reliably) was with the Midisport. Tried again (computer reboot) without the extender cord on an old Sonar track (peeters adagio) which it had played fine at home on Korg, and it worked fine now. Tried another reboot with the extender back in -- all was well. It has often taken playing an older track to get things communicating -- are you sure these components aren't human?  One of the communication fails I've described previously would often happen after a long Sunday morning session, with the Midisport -- say 4 hours of sequencing, playing back, practicing generally, and playing the church service. Funnily enough, it generally happened a bit after (thank God) the postlude, signaled by a big discordant chord on the organ. To fix this and go on using the organ alone would only require rebooting the organ, which it did today too with the UM1.... except, again thank God, the equipment was still communicating fine even though Sonar's onscreen action indicators weren't both working by that point! In other words, the small problem signaling the big problem still went off without the big problem occurring. The weirdness never ends! Bottom line: will continue seeing how far UM1 will take us before any more Midisport-like trouble occurs, if it's planning to. Next quirk, unrelated: seeking to rejoin you here again this morning, went through hellish rigmarole trying to obey the command to get an SSO acct in addition to this Forum one. Finally just tried coming here directly by clicking this page's URL where I'd noted it in a document. This got me into the Forum just fine, signaling that either one of the dozen attempts to update the account and log in with it worked, or I'm permanently logged in anyway. It's all a blur to me now. (Example: I tried logging in with regular original password but it wouldn't recognize it. I clicked to be sent a new one but it wouldn't recognize it either, and sometimes told me my present screen name was already taken... LOL.) Maybe all I'll ever need to do is click that URL, but ( bottom line:) In case I ever totally fail to enter, do you wonderful people know of any non-Cakewalk forums that cover Sonar use? Thank you so much!
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FCCfirstclass
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/13 08:43:09
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Make sure you are using a USB 2.0 port instead of a 3.0 port. A lot of devices will not work with 3.0 ports.
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/13 08:55:37
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Windows has this dumb issue where it can't recognize more than ten midi devices. It can lead to all sorts of nastiness like what you're describing. Because of another Windows stupidity, a new midi device is created everytime you put the same device into another port (and possibly your "extender"), so it's pretty easy to run into this limit. I have to manually manage my midi devices a lot.
You could try downloading and installing any Korg midi driver (e.g. the Kronos one) from their support site. It comes with a midi driver removal utility that lets you completely remove old or corrupt Windows midi drivers. You need to uncheck a box when you run the utility to allow it to uninstall non-Korg drivers. I would recommend removing all of them and installing the UM1 and MidiSport fresh. I don't know for sure that this is at the root of your issue but it was definitely a pain for me until I figured it out.
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BachFugue
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/20 00:55:28
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'Preciate it, folks! Searching Kronos in the Start menu, shortcuts appear for KORGUM64 and KORGUMDN. Does that mean I already have it? Searching midi driver, a "Configure Korg USB MIDI Driver" choice appears. Clicking it, a little "Korg USB MIDI Driver" box appears, with options for only "Advanced: suppress device number in the port name of the first device" (unchecked box) and "MIDI In" (Both, 32bit only, 64bit only -- default of "Both" was in effect). Trying a search for MIDI devices and drivers nothing very useful comes up, mostly factory-looking. All four of my USBs are 3.0. Is there a way to just get into the puter and delete redundant (or all) MIDI drivers and then do a fresh install of the big two as Sanderxpander says? I had a great breakthrough on Sunday -- finally had the wits to set all I/O options correctly and was able to sequence on two instruments simultaneously, changing sounds freely. Had struggled with it many times before and suspect it was simply being able to cry on your shoulders that finally got me over.  I don't assume anybody's interested in my ongoing saga but have just stashed the full update here since I can paste the whole shebang and will always know where to find it: (poormehelpme period blog spot period you know what). Next stop -- how do I get my Sonar tracks playing through sounds built into Sonar's internal synths? No doubt it will also be simplicity personified, but all efforts at cracking the code have failed thus far.
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rabeach
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/20 09:09:13
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what is the length of you midi cable extension?
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/20 09:20:16
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Doktor Avalanche Did you click on the link for updated drivers and firmware?
BachFugue There was no link for updated drivers and firmware.
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57Gregy
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/20 09:35:56
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"Next stop -- how do I get my Sonar tracks playing through sounds built into Sonar's internal synths?" At the top click Insert>Soft Synths, select the synth you want to use. A dialog box will appear with some options for you to select. Since you already have MIDI tracks, uncheck 'Create MIDI Source Track'. Once the synth is ready, just change the outputs of your MIDI tracks to the synth you just inserted. Some synths are multi-timbral and can have up to 16 MIDI tracks feeding them; others are not and can only send 1 MIDI track to them at a time. Careful with the output levels of your synths, especially synthesizer synths (  ); some are very loud and can red-line your interface. Out of habit, I always reduce the synth output level before I hit play.
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BachFugue
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/20 10:05:26
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BachFugue
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/20 10:37:26
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57Gregy At the top click Insert>Soft Synths, select the synth you want to use. A dialog box will appear with some options for you to select. Since you already have MIDI tracks, uncheck 'Create MIDI Source Track'. Once the synth is ready, just change the outputs of your MIDI tracks to the synth you just inserted. Some synths are multi-timbral and can have up to 16 MIDI tracks feeding them; others are not and can only send 1 MIDI track to them at a time. Careful with the output levels of your synths, especially synthesizer synths ( ); some are very loud and can red-line your interface. Out of habit, I always reduce the synth output level before I hit play.
Trying this with TTS-1 brings a most solid gray window with the track title at the top, and beneath it shortcuts for "Insert soft synths and ReWire devices," etc. and a long thin blue space containing the synth name, "no preset", forward and back arrows, and a blank line starting with a squarish letter C (or extremely bold left-bracket). Checking the track for the piece I'd opened (about a week old), the output was already set for the synth, but playing the track I don't hear anything. Haven't seen anywhere to select a sound, so I must have missed something big. Trying it with the Roland GrooveSynth I managed to bring up a window for it in addition to the above (which now has a blue bar for the GrooveSynth below the TTS-1 one) and selected a sound -- "real strings" -- but still no sound, regardless of how I set the track's output. Synth's level is set at 105 -- is that its volume level? Computer sound still working normally. You mentioned the interface -- assume you mean the UM1 just in case it was still plugged in? It's not needed for this, right? Remembering the other controls above the onscreen volume slider I set them for "Ch 1:Roland...", "8192 bank" and "PizzicatoStr" as no Real Strings was among the choices -- still nothing. Trying the Assign Instruments box, the Output/Channel box in it is empty. All the due diligence I can think of!
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/20 11:09:07
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Bowing out of this thread as I'm just talking to myself.
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BachFugue
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/20 11:16:28
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Doktor Avalanche Bowing out of this thread as I'm just talking to myself.
Oops -- did I miss something you said?
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rabeach
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/20 15:32:36
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BachFugue
rabeach what is the length of you midi cable extension?
About six feet. Glad you've mentioned this. I dream of positioning the Privia about 40 feet away at the other end of the church and having Sonar play it antiphonally from the front. Figuring it would need a connection at least 60 feet long running around under and above floors. Is there a limit -- or a delay? http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Meters-Active-Extension-Repeater/dp/B007VQNYSG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432130191&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+extension+cable+100+ft
I believe the midi spec sets the max at 50 feet. Doesn't mean anyone adheres to the spec when they manufacture and sell a midi device. So your in the field results could vary a lot from the spec. There are active midi extenders available if you have a problem. USB is covered under a different spec but the active midi extenders are similar in design to the active USB extenders. edit... either cable may not be rated for under the floor or plenum (above ceiling) use.
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BachFugue
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Re: Joy and frustration with Sonar 7 Studio Edition
2015/05/20 23:08:12
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