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2017/06/05 22:52:47 (permalink)

Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End!

Hey Guys--
 
Not that long ago I upgraded my system and programs HDD for an SSD. Much better performance, but since my Sonar project folders are on a separate HDD, my project load times didn't improve all that much, etc. etc. My PC load time, and other app load times improved dramatically though.
 
Well, I made the jump! I just bought my 2nd SSD where all of my Sonar project folders are going--a little nervous because I am mid-project right now, but a whole lot easier to stick the HDD back in if I have issues than in times past when I was doing a disaster recovery from a failed drive. Been there. Hate it.
 
Anyway, I have really good cloning software and I don't expect any issues. Just a little excited because I held out putting SSD's into my DAW for a while now, and I'm really looking forward to the next phase of performance improvements! :-)

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/05 23:36:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby razor 2017/06/06 01:48:10
My first bike as a kid had plastic tires, crappy gear ratio, etc. but I loved it.
The first time I rode a bike with pneumatic tires I couldn't believe how smooth the ride was and how fast you could go.  The old reliable starter bike just seemed like such a junker after that.
  
Going from a HD to an SSD is similar.  Sorry Razor - you're screwed.  Never again will you be satisfied with old fashion hard drives. 

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/05 23:54:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby razor 2017/06/06 01:48:13
^^^ what he said, LOL!!!

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/06 13:31:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2017/06/09 08:57:15
On your project load time ...
 
If your projects are sample heavy, with VI sample loading causing the delays, then using SSD for your sample library will give you greater benefit than using SSD for your projects.

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/06 13:50:46 (permalink)
Sorry for the slight off topic Q, but wondered if you guys had an SSD fail on you?
 
I've only had one SSD (a Samsung as my boot drive) and it's been going strong for the past 4 years......just wondered what are the general lifespan of these are?  

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/06 14:03:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/06/06 20:24:14
I've been using my Samsung as my boot drive daily for 1.5 years, and it's still at 100% health.
 
I think the stories of SSD failures and limited number of writes were mostly regarding the early models.  It seems the quality has improved with each generation.  In theory, there are a finite number of writes, but probably not a huge factor in the real world.
 
Still, I would recommend a backup image plan for all important drives, whether HDD or SSD, as all drives can fail.  Murphy's Law ...
 
Grueling endurance test blows away SSD durability fears
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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/06 20:02:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/06/06 20:24:17
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Still, I would recommend a backup image plan for all important drives, whether HDD or SSD, as all drives can fail.  Murphy's Law ...
 

 
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I had one SSD fail on me after a little more than 2 years of virtually daily use ... on a tablet PC which I used for office tasks. Never bothered to do a proper image since it's just office stuff and not a DAW ... took me 3 days to get the machine back to where it was before the SSD crash. one day just for getting windows to the latest update stage and 2 days to download and reinstall all these applications that I installed over the years ... backup, backup, backup

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/12 21:01:25 (permalink)
Well, my data transfer cables (for disk to disk cloning) utilize the old USB 2.0 speed. So, it took about 9 hours to clone my project drive from HDD to SSD!
 
Needless to say, I didn't feel like continuing the task of moving drives that late at night, so I plan on finishing the replacement of the cloned HDD with the ready SSD when I get home from work today.
 
Here's my question: Has anyone here cloned their projects from an HDD to an SSD? My SPLAT (and samples, etc.) and OS are already on an SSD, but my project folders are on a separate physical drive, and that's the one I cloned and am replacing with another SSD.
 
When done, does SPLAT complain, or is there any hiccup? I'm thinking if I'm going to have a hiccup it's going to be my Waves plugins (because they complain at everything!)
 
Anyone have experience here? Just trying to prepare myself.
 
Thanks,
 
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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/12 21:06:15 (permalink)
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Still, I would recommend a backup image plan for all important drives, whether HDD or SSD, as all drives can fail.  Murphy's Law ...
 

 
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I had one SSD fail on me after a little more than 2 years of virtually daily use ... on a tablet PC which I used for office tasks. Never bothered to do a proper image since it's just office stuff and not a DAW ... took me 3 days to get the machine back to where it was before the SSD crash. one day just for getting windows to the latest update stage and 2 days to download and reinstall all these applications that I installed over the years ... backup, backup, backup




What were the symptoms when it went bad? Was it just certain sectors or did everything crash-and-burn?

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/12 21:10:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby razor 2017/06/12 22:07:44
Sonar projects you can simply move or copy. SPLAT will not complain, there should not be a problem with WAVES either. I do this all the time. Changed sample locations would be the only thing that could cause issues requiring reselecting of path...

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/12 21:12:28 (permalink)
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What were the symptoms when it went bad? Was it just certain sectors or did everything crash-and-burn?


No symptoms really. Died a sudden death.

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/13 03:10:51 (permalink)
It went flawlessly!  In my situation, I took the cloned HDD completely out and replaced it with the SSD, and I just assigned the SSD the same volume letter as the old drive, so after a quick reboot, everything worked great! --
 
Now I am totally glad I did it, and I would do it again, but candidly, I'm a little surprised that my current project doesn't load faster with all the storage being SSD associated with it. I know it's a fairly large project, but I have a pretty powerful DAW and I guess I expected my project to load faster. Hmm...

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/13 12:07:40 (permalink)
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It went flawlessly!  In my situation, I took the cloned HDD completely out and replaced it with the SSD, and I just assigned the SSD the same volume letter as the old drive, so after a quick reboot, everything worked great! --
 
Now I am totally glad I did it, and I would do it again, but candidly, I'm a little surprised that my current project doesn't load faster with all the storage being SSD associated with it. I know it's a fairly large project, but I have a pretty powerful DAW and I guess I expected my project to load faster. Hmm...




See above at http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3615325

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/13 15:00:31 (permalink)
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It went flawlessly!  In my situation, I took the cloned HDD completely out and replaced it with the SSD, and I just assigned the SSD the same volume letter as the old drive, so after a quick reboot, everything worked great! --
 
Now I am totally glad I did it, and I would do it again, but candidly, I'm a little surprised that my current project doesn't load faster with all the storage being SSD associated with it. I know it's a fairly large project, but I have a pretty powerful DAW and I guess I expected my project to load faster. Hmm...




See above at http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3615325

 

Yeah, thanks. My samples were already on an SSD. The audio and picture files are what went to SSD this time. That was the last element of SPLAT to be moved to SSD, so I figured that must be the reason for the slow load time. Even reopening the project doesn't seem much faster.

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/13 15:04:19 (permalink)
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It went flawlessly!  In my situation, I took the cloned HDD completely out and replaced it with the SSD, and I just assigned the SSD the same volume letter as the old drive, so after a quick reboot, everything worked great! --
 
Now I am totally glad I did it, and I would do it again, but candidly, I'm a little surprised that my current project doesn't load faster with all the storage being SSD associated with it. I know it's a fairly large project, but I have a pretty powerful DAW and I guess I expected my project to load faster. Hmm...




See above at http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3615325

 

Yeah, thanks. My samples were already on an SSD. The audio and picture files are what went to SSD this time. That was the last element of SPLAT to be moved to SSD, so I figured that must be the reason for the slow load time. Even reopening the project doesn't seem much faster.




Bummer.  The only other thing I can think of is AV real-time scanning.  I use Defender and have the SONAR, VST and sample folders excluded from scanning.  This sped up load times in a huge way.
 
You can open a Task Manager window and watch for your AV software activity while you load a slow-to-load project to see if this a problem in your case.

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/13 15:08:54 (permalink)
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What were the symptoms when it went bad? Was it just certain sectors or did everything crash-and-burn?


No symptoms really. Died a sudden death.


That's kinda scary. At least HDD's usually give some indication.

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/13 16:23:04 (permalink)
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Still, I would recommend a backup image plan for all important drives, whether HDD or SSD, as all drives can fail.  Murphy's Law ...
 

 
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I had one SSD fail on me after a little more than 2 years of virtually daily use ... on a tablet PC which I used for office tasks. Never bothered to do a proper image since it's just office stuff and not a DAW ... took me 3 days to get the machine back to where it was before the SSD crash. one day just for getting windows to the latest update stage and 2 days to download and reinstall all these applications that I installed over the years ... backup, backup, backup




What were the symptoms when it went bad? Was it just certain sectors or did everything crash-and-burn?


Hmm, maybe your topic can branch into another post? It seems to have gained a life if it's own! 😜

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/13 16:26:10 (permalink)
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It went flawlessly!  In my situation, I took the cloned HDD completely out and replaced it with the SSD, and I just assigned the SSD the same volume letter as the old drive, so after a quick reboot, everything worked great! --
 
Now I am totally glad I did it, and I would do it again, but candidly, I'm a little surprised that my current project doesn't load faster with all the storage being SSD associated with it. I know it's a fairly large project, but I have a pretty powerful DAW and I guess I expected my project to load faster. Hmm...




See above at http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3615325

 

Yeah, thanks. My samples were already on an SSD. The audio and picture files are what went to SSD this time. That was the last element of SPLAT to be moved to SSD, so I figured that must be the reason for the slow load time. Even reopening the project doesn't seem much faster.




Bummer.  The only other thing I can think of is AV real-time scanning.  I use Defender and have the SONAR, VST and sample folders excluded from scanning.  This sped up load times in a huge way.
 
You can open a Task Manager window and watch for your AV software activity while you load a slow-to-load project to see if this a problem in your case.


I've got a good av program that my DAW maker suggested I use, so i can make sure nothing music is scanned. I also turned off the auto scan of my vst folders when i open sonar. I do that manually.

Thanks for this tip. I wouldn't have thought to look there.

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Re: Just Jumped in the SSD Deep End! 2017/06/14 20:53:31 (permalink)
Does anyone know of a program, or performance monitor setting, etc. that I can run while opening a Sonar project that will help me ID what is causing the slowness?
 
Thanks,
 
 
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