sharke
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Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
I don't know why I've never done this before....I was having a bit of a solo jam with some chords and got a little overexcited and started flicking the strings with thumb and 2nd finger, the way you'd flick a piece of dust off your sleeve....wow! I found I could be quite accurate in targeting strings and it's a fantastically chunky sound for playing those Hendrix style 2 or 3 string chord hammers...a great way to accent a phrase. Looks pretty cool too.
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eph221
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/15 22:58:01
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Sharke, I studied classical guitar intensively. I took lessons from Segovia students, etc... finger picking can be much faster than picking and the notes will be better articulated. We usually did p-i for quick scales. Some Flamenco players do the same thing. You live in NYC, if you're interested you can take lessons from Sharon Isbin. She teaches at Julliard. It wouldn't be cheap but you'll learn an awful lot. http://www.juilliard.edu/journal/1404/sharon-isbin
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sharke
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/15 23:24:36
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I've studied classical guitar too, for years - self taught though mind you. Probably not the best way to learn classical but I did reach quite a level of proficiency, I can get through most Bach pieces for instance.
In actual fact I haven't used a pick on a regular basis for at least 20 years. When I first started in '88 or so I used one, and I was in thrash bands when I was younger doing a sort of Kirk Hammett type thing....but sometime in the early 90's I found that I connected with the guitar much better by using my fingers and have played fingerstyle ever since. Even for lead playing. When I played classical I would use p-i for runs, but I find that when improvising other styles like rock, blues or jazz I naturally tend towards my thumb and 2nd finger, I guess like Mark Knopfler. I've incorporated a lot of picking styles in my playing, especially folk styles - I'm currently collaborating on an official book of Bert Jansch transcriptions and have also played a lot of banjo-style chickin' pickin. But for some reason I never flicked the strings like I did tonight, and I really liked the effect.
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/15 23:28:49
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Cool! Join the NY guitar society if you can. They're kind of a quirky, insular crowd where everyone walks on eggshells, but you might meet some one with whom to collaborate.
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sharke
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 00:06:07
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Ha I really wish I had the time for something like that! Unfortunately I have a really crazy, erratic work schedule which means I would be totally unreliable for music hookups....maybe if I can get my business stabilized over the next year to the point where I'm not running around like a loon most of the day (and can actually have a day off, which would be nice....)
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 09:08:22
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Go ahead Sharke, post that audio/video link to what you're doing.......inquiry minds want to see/hear!! 
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 09:38:36
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I really should record some acoustic guitar, I have a couple of very nice ATH mics! However I do struggle with ambient noise in the apartment, mainly fan noise. I have a great Studiocat rig but I have to say, the fan ain't that quiet for recording! I need to get to grips with the Audition noise reduction I guess. It seems very powerful but a little artifacty when I drive it to the point where the noise has gone. I'm told I need to apply it in multiple gentler passes so maybe I'll try that next.
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 11:38:31
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Hi Sharke,
The fan RPMs can be dropped while recording (via control software).
If the fan bearings are causing the noise, the fans can be replaced.
Give me a call or send me an Email... and I'd be happy to help.
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 11:51:11
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No excuses now Sharke!
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 11:53:04
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No excuses now Sharke!
Yeah buddy!!
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sharke
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 12:47:47
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Ah thanks Jim, I knew it must be something like that. I don't think it's that the fans are faulty, it's just that they're going at full speed most of the time. What's the name of the control software?
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 14:30:57
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Yeah, that's a pretty good string stabber.
I'm sure you are familiar with the "Flamenco" style multi finger downward flourish (where you kind of roll your hand/fingers downward to rake the nails across a chord). This stabbing is just a tighter and targeted attack.
One thing my old bass buddy used to do (and he stole it from Entwhistle) is a hyper rapid flicking back and forth of the finger to essentially speed pick a bass string (or two at a time). Pretty cool but doesn't work that great on guit without some ultra control (strings are too close together).
Unfortunately I've never really had the time or opportunity to really getting my finger picking technique down to real pro levels. I can perform most of the techniques well but cannot sustain them long enough with enough clarity to really muscle through pieces like you probably can.
Like I can do basic classical pieces or finger plucked tunes but super fast runs or crazy arpeggios elude me. I'd just need to practice it all I guess but playing causes me such enormous pain these days and I have mountains of plectrum material to track that I just stick to what I know.
There is something entirely satisfying about flesh and nail though. I love noodling around on my bass and guits with my fingers. It just turns into too much moosh on a track though.
I do however do quite a bit of hybrid picking (using the definition of plectrum plus finger picking... seems that term gets used for other styles). I'm actually tracking some bluesy stuff using that method right now and let my nails grow a bit to do so. Pretty simplistic stuff (just plectrum and middle finger) but effective.
Cheers.
PS: Yeah... totes post sumthin'. I'd be interested.
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sharke
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 14:37:15
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Beepster
Yeah, that's a pretty good string stabber.
I'm sure you are familiar with the "Flamenco" style multi finger downward flourish (where you kind of roll your hand/fingers downward to rake the nails across a chord). This stabbing is just a tighter and targeted attack.
One thing my old bass buddy used to do (and he stole it from Entwhistle) is a hyper rapid flicking back and forth of the finger to essentially speed pick a bass string (or two at a time). Pretty cool but doesn't work that great on guit without some ultra control (strings are too close together).
Unfortunately I've never really had the time or opportunity to really getting my finger picking technique down to real pro levels. I can perform most of the techniques well but cannot sustain them long enough with enough clarity to really muscle through pieces like you probably can.
Like I can do basic classical pieces or finger plucked tunes but super fast runs or crazy arpeggios elude me. I'd just need to practice it all I guess but playing causes me such enormous pain these days and I have mountains of plectrum material to track that I just stick to what I know.
There is something entirely satisfying about flesh and nail though. I love noodling around on my bass and guits with my fingers. It just turns into too much moosh on a track though.
I do however do quite a bit of hybrid picking (using the definition of plectrum plus finger picking... seems that term gets used for other styles). I'm actually tracking some bluesy stuff using that method right now and let my nails grow a bit to do so. Pretty simplistic stuff (just plectrum and middle finger) but effective.
Cheers.
PS: Yeah... totes post sumthin'. I'd be interested.
Yeah I do a sort of flamenco technique when I strum - down with the surface of the finger nails and then up with the surface of the thumbnail. You can get some pretty good strumming speed up like this. Steve Baughman has an interesting banjo style guitar technique which he uses to great effect. Check out some of his videos on YouTube, he has some amazingly beautiful music, I really love his Bony Crossing The Alps.
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 14:53:05
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One of the first times (or maybe the first time actually) someone played a guitar in front of me was when I was probably about 5 years old going to this weird small town all French Catholic school and the principle coming into our classroom with his guitar (I think there may have been a teacher's strike going on so they were trying to just keep things going).
He was playing some folk/gospely/hymn type stuff and using the "Apple" technique. He even made sure to say "Apple" to me when I asked because he knew I didn't speak French (why my parents put me in that school I have no clue... very stupid).
It seems to me one of the most ineffective ways to actually play and I've never been able to make it work properly but he and so many others seem to be able to make it work.
I just end up yanking off hunks of skin from my fingers and/or catching the edge of my nails (thus almost yanking them off as well).
The Flamenco flourishes, the stabs you describe or doing the up/down flutter has always worked much better for me.
Then again I think maybe the "Apple" works better for those who have big meaty hands. Mine are long and lanky.
Meh... just reminded me of that aaaaancient memory. lol
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eph221
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 14:54:03
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Beepster..all good info except for the characterization as *stabbing*. The attack is from the first knuckle with no hand movement. Stabbing will actually slow you down.
Work on the 12 Etudes by Villa Lobos with a good teacher. You'll be amazed at what happens to your speed.
Teachers in NYC are legion. But Nick Goluses, Oscar Ghiglia and Sharon are probably who I'd choose to work with. I don't even know if Oscar Ghiglia is still teaching.
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 15:08:00
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You are totally right and I should probably not use bad descriptors like that but I didn't have my teaching hat on.
I guess it would be better described as a "flick" (which reading the OP again sharke did use) or even a "thwack" if you were to get your wrist into it (which I would sometimes do).
Both of those words do the actual action very little justice though because it is rather complex and potentially varied.
This is why it is such a huuuuuge pain to describe guitar techniques in text. Even video doesn't do it justice. Any material I write about guitar technique (yet to be released) I make sure that it is known a professional instructor (or instructors) should be sought out to properly demonstrate the very physical aspects needed for succsessful playing.
Holding the guit, fretting the notes, plucking the notes, etc NEEDS to be learned in person. The theory, concepts and general philosophy can then be absorbed through text, vids, audio examples and independent practice.
I was lucky enough to take a full year of lessons to get that type of thing out of the way and from there I was able to just go nuts on my own.
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 15:27:33
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I loved the CG milieu...except for the eggshells. It's such an exciting pool of knowledge. It's kind of like traveling the world, especially South America. Unfortunately it's populated by a lot of uptight schizoids. I prefer heavily medicated schizoids.:DD:
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clintmartin
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 20:35:16
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I haven't ever studied with anyone (I do think it's the best way to go), but... I've been watching a lot of Lindsey Buckingham videos lately. I love the way that guy plays, and of course Jeff Beck.
Those guys are probably not the style or technique your thinking of, but this thread made me think of them.
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craigb
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 22:15:37
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I haven't ever studied with anyone (I do think it's the best way to go), but... I've been watching a lot of Lindsey Buckingham videos lately. I love the way that guy plays, and of course Jeff Beck.
Those guys are probably not the style or technique your thinking of, but this thread made me think of them.
Add Mark Knopfler to that list!
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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sharke
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/16 23:34:11
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Check out Steve Baughman doing his signature clawhammer downward thwack technique - I would love to master this style, I do something which sounds similar, a kind of boom-chucka style, but the way he does it is totally different. I've tried to pick it up but it's a technique that's so different from the way I do it that I find it really hard to master. Baughman makes it look easy though.
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/17 08:33:54
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Wonderfully glorious mistakes and accidents.....
I made some interesting progress as a beginning guitarist when I was playing around with a knife or some other sharp tool and cut my fingers on my fretting hand. Nothing that required stitches, but painful enough that I couldn't fret the strings with certain fingers. In order to keep playing, I had to make some accommodations to how I fretted the chords.... Something that I would probably not have done otherwise. I still use what I learned back then in my playing now.
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sharke
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/17 08:38:43
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Guitarhacker
Wonderfully glorious mistakes and accidents.....
I made some interesting progress as a beginning guitarist when I was playing around with a knife or some other sharp tool and cut my fingers on my fretting hand. Nothing that required stitches, but painful enough that I couldn't fret the strings with certain fingers. In order to keep playing, I had to make some accommodations to how I fretted the chords.... Something that I would probably not have done otherwise. I still use what I learned back then in my playing now.
Oh yeah been there done that....plus playing with one or two strings missing, always a great way to explore limited chord voicings.
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/17 08:50:59
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clintmartin
I haven't ever studied with anyone (I do think it's the best way to go), but... I've been watching a lot of Lindsey Buckingham videos lately. I love the way that guy plays, and of course Jeff Beck.
Those guys are probably not the style or technique your thinking of, but this thread made me think of them.
Add Mark Knopfler to that list!
Knopfler is a good one. I love his playing too.
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eph221
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/17 18:58:10
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I used to idolize Chet Atkins. After reading through most of the CG pieces I appreciate the simplicity of his arrangements. Sometimes we can make things harder than they need to be.
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Re: Just added another technique to my picking arsenal
2016/03/18 13:13:17
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Doesn't Mark Knopler use a technique sort of like this? That, plus Segovia, puts you in some very good company.
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