Ian Ferrin
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Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
I'm not bailing on Sonar just yet, but everyday I use the piano roll and clip funtions a lot. So basically I'm constantly taking the extra two clicks to activate clips in the inspector (right click plus another click to get rid of the dialog box). And it's another two steps (start and stop) to get to the corect postion after opening the piano roll - because PR doesn't open to the correct spot.
It's wearing on me. For my particular workflow these known but unfixed bugs are alot of extra work. Not to mention inelegant. For me, it still feels like I'm using beta software.
There's a few other bugs that drive me buggy, but the above two require semi constant extra steps.
I sure hope there's an X2b revision and I sure hope they fix these irritations. Part of the problem is that I'm a bit OCD and OCD doesn't like constant nagging imperfections!
Just complaining. I hope CW reads this. I hope CW/Roland is still passionate about Sonar, but I'm not sure big corporations do passionate!
- Ian
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 03:13:27
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Ian, it's not just you. I raised bug reports about the fact you have to click on an object such as track inspector before you can do things - basic things like scrolling. The workflow in Sonar is getting generally speaking great which makes it more obvious when things don't just work. roll on x2b cheers
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 05:14:50
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Have you tried 2 double clicks on a midi clip? (So 4 clicks)
I found the 1st 2 clicks will open the PR but the next 2 (on the same midi clip) will pull the notation into view.
Not great but better?
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Ian Ferrin
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 06:26:12
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Thanks moffdnb,
That does sound slightly quicker. Still inelegant and still a workaround though.
If they don't fix it w/ X2b I'm looking at FL studio and Reaper. I'm really irritated constantly working around...
Thanks dorism,
The workflow is OK. I know some folks don't mess w/ clips much. But I'm constantly tweaking clips which means my workflow is constantly BEING tweaked!
I hope they read this thread.
Peace,
Ian
"Everyone is a 'believer' - even if you don't believe, that's a belief" - Me Songs - (at soundclick) Sonar Platinum, Native Instruments Komplete 10u, Korg N1R X2 (for some reason I still love this old synth).
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 11:22:07
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We're due for something soon, but I can't predict what. I just hope it's fixes, fixes, and more fixes, not features, features, and more features. We need an iteration of fixes and addressing issues and dislikes and work to improve the klunky performance of X2a. What was added to X2a other than fixes, imo should be removed or re-worked to bring back the performance I saw in X2.
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 12:13:12
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Keni
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 12:24:34
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Thanks for making the post...
I want to believe that the more posts there are mentioning these facts, the more likelyhood that the team will place them into more importance than adding more plugins or the likes...
I'm very happy for those who want/use toucscreen tech, but tho some believe it's the wave of the future, I don't believe it will replace a more accurate/fast system... It's a welcome addition, not replacement just as the mouse isn't perfect for everything nor the keyboard... Voice (when truly working) will be welcome as well, but I can see that some things/times, the old mouse/kybd may be faster!
The constant soom/view changes necessary in the X versions have been driving me crazy (er?) and X2a really topped the cake on these issues... I spend more time adjusting my screen than I do actual editing... They fixed a few of the constant nags ( I can once again select and locate with a single click if I'm careful... ;-)) but have introduced a world of pain for many of us...
I truly hope they are busy making adjustments/changes to accommodate these issues and that they will surprise us as The Bakers of past have constantly done!
Keni
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 13:07:20
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At the very least, what I'd like are better performance, if that's even humanly possible, by stripping out code we don't absolutely need (making it optional, for example), fixing the awful Take Lanes, and maybe bring us Dual monitor ability. No, we really don't have that yet. What we have today is a hack, not a real Dual-Monitor experience.
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 13:30:25
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I am sticking with Sonar for now, but if I were to change, the big contenders would be Cubase and Studio One.
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 13:39:13
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Ian Ferrin
I'm not bailing on Sonar just yet, but everyday I use the piano roll and clip funtions a lot. So basically I'm constantly taking the extra two clicks to activate clips in the inspector (right click plus another click to get rid of the dialog box). And it's another two steps (start and stop) to get to the corect postion after opening the piano roll - because PR doesn't open to the correct spot.
It's wearing on me. For my particular workflow these known but unfixed bugs are alot of extra work. Not to mention inelegant. For me, it still feels like I'm using beta software.
There's a few other bugs that drive me buggy, but the above two require semi constant extra steps.
I sure hope there's an X2b revision and I sure hope they fix these irritations. Part of the problem is that I'm a bit OCD and OCD doesn't like constant nagging imperfections!
Just complaining. I hope CW reads this. I hope CW/Roland is still passionate about Sonar, but I'm not sure big corporations do passionate!
- Ian
I hope you are filing bug reports officially on the CW support section. CW may or may not be reading these forum posts. JG www.jerrygerber.com
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 13:59:12
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I question whether Cakewalk checks the Bug-Reports in the tool, either.
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 14:22:13
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The X in Sonar is for Xtra clicks.
Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy. Win 7 x64 X2 Intel DX58SO, Intel i7 920 2.66ghz 12gb DDR3 ASUS ATI EAH5750 650w PSU 4x WD HDs 320gb DVD, DVD RW Eleven Rack, KRK Rokit 8s and 10s sub
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Bonjo
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 14:42:30
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Are we about to be surprised?? I've had an email from Cakewalk which goes nowhere...but it's from: Cakewalk Forums http://betaforum.cakewalk.com/ Anyone else??
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 15:21:32
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Bonjo
Are we about to be surprised?? I've had an email from Cakewalk which goes nowhere...but it's from: Cakewalk Forums http://betaforum.cakewalk.com/ Anyone else??
Shhh! It's not done baking ;) More info coming soon :)
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dorism
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 15:37:12
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 16:31:27
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Any way you slice it, my optimism level just went up 3,000 points. Yay!
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 16:33:48
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Bonjo
Are we about to be surprised?? I've had an email from Cakewalk which goes nowhere...but it's from: Cakewalk Forums http://betaforum.cakewalk.com/ Anyone else??
Shhh! It's not done baking ;)
More info coming soon :)
Oooops! 
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dorism
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 16:36:56
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Its not even been a year for goodness sake. lol
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 17:51:04
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I'm not baking SONAR. Trust me, you wouldn't want me on that side of the bakery. I do make some pretty mean cinnamon toast though. 
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 18:15:10
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Mmmmm cinnamon toast.........drool......
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 18:17:48
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dorism
I raised bug reports about the fact you have to click on an object such as track inspector before you can do things - basic things like scrolling.
+1 to this Michael ^^^^^^ it drives me absolutely nuts 
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 18:30:24
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Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk
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Bonjo
Are we about to be surprised?? I've had an email from Cakewalk which goes nowhere...but it's from: Cakewalk Forums http://betaforum.cakewalk.com/ Anyone else??
Shhh! It's not done baking ;)
More info coming soon :)
I wont tell anyone I promise!
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dorism
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 18:45:10
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I'm pretty sure the response I'll get from support will be... it's not a bug.... it's a feature
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 19:02:35
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dorism
I'm pretty sure the response I'll get from support will be... it's not a bug.... it's a feature
Features are designed a certain way because we think that's going to be the 'best use' for the majority of user cases. We understand this doesn't always fit into everyone's idea about how a feature should work. We're also human and sometimes things get overlooked. I've been shocked many times on just how different people use our software to build their individual mousetrap. This is why we are always looking for constructive feedback on how we can improve the software and user experiences.
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 19:12:44
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I guess it's kind of frustrating that we don't usually know whether feedback is received or considered much. Everyone is typically left to speculation. Even if only for a short period of time, I'd love to see a Q&A with Cakewalk Engineers to provide feedback and to get answers as to exactly what is the intended use of specific features. Schedule something. We'll show up. 
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 19:41:56
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brconflict
I guess it's kind of frustrating that we don't usually know whether feedback is received or considered much. Everyone is typically left to speculation. Even if only for a short period of time, I'd love to see a Q&A with Cakewalk Engineers to provide feedback and to get answers as to exactly what is the intended use of specific features. Schedule something. We'll show up.
FWIW, ALL feedback submitted by customers is looked at by a human. Sometimes the amount of feedback is so large it just takes some time. I'd love to see more Q&A's as well! Unfortunately our developers are always busy...they are unruly otherwise. Right now the best solution for a feature is usually talking to a support representative or looking at some of the great community created how-to's. I fully understand that is not the ideal solution all the time and we're always looking to make the end user experience better.
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 19:55:16
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 20:20:23
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You can bet that CW looks at these forums and gets a lot of ideas from them.
I've been around a long time and I have watched CW do just that. We may not get a feature when we want it but often it will show up in due course.
Don't forget that CW has its own schedule with things to do in a priority list. It takes planning and careful thought to do what CW is doing.
We saw a lot of improvements in X2. Is it perfect? No, it isn't but its getting there. We just need to remind CW from time to time what we want most.
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Ian Ferrin
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 20:27:55
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jsg
I hope you are filing bug reports officially on the CW support section. CW may or may not be reading these forum posts.
JG
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I was told, I think by brundlefly, in previous posts that both of these are known bugs. What I'm trying to impress on CW is how constantly annoying these bugs are. They're not very good PR for CW. I don't think that can be expressed in a bug report. Peace, Ian
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Re:Just complianing. But I hope CW reads this.
2013/05/22 20:56:15
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It would be nice to have the plugin manager completely redone and void of all bugs and glitches. That is my hope someday...
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