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2014/07/23 16:56:30 (permalink)

Just got my very first...


 
Hard to believe that I've been playing guitar for 30 years but I'd never used a capo. But then again, I guess us guitar players tend to write music for guitar - especially when you come from a riff-oriented genre.
 
I always objected to using a capo - for whatever reason, I felt it was like cheating.
 
But working with my wife, I do find that some those cool awesome riff-based song that also make constant use of open strings and work so great in E aren't too easily transposed to G#. Things accidentally get muted that shouldn't be.
 
So I suppose a capo is the best option, but the purist in me still frowns upon it...

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/23 18:30:02 (permalink)
Rain,

Define cheating......like maybe....double tracking ......or punching in......or .......Melodyne .......or.....

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/23 19:13:42 (permalink)
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Rain,

Define cheating......like maybe....double tracking ......or punching in......or .......Melodyne .......or.....



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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/23 20:06:17 (permalink)
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Rain,

Define cheating......like maybe....double tracking ......or punching in......or .......Melodyne .......or.....



Would you believe that I've never punched in, except when I first started working with Cakewalk Guitar Studio, my very first DAW software. I wanted to test the feature.
 
Maybe because I feel that I have to make up somehow for all the MIDI instrumentation. In the most complex situation, at worst, I'll break down the song into sections - verse, bridge, chorus. But these all have to be recorded in a single take - no comping. I'd rather re-record the same passage 200 hundred times - seriously.
 
The producer of the recordings I'd made with my band had once insisted on punching in in a solo and I couldn't bear to listen to that track w/o cringing. He was just rushing me and even had me plug into the other guitar player's amp - a Mesa Boogie - instead of letting me work on my tone. Never again.
 
 

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/23 20:32:06 (permalink)
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Rain,

Define cheating......like maybe....double tracking ......or punching in......or .......Melodyne .......or.....



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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/23 20:36:04 (permalink)
....turkey becan.

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 07:33:31 (permalink)
Or digital recording or synths that sound like a piano........ cheating?
 
I hope this conversation doesn't get started again because someone will bring up the topic of.... uhhhhh... yeah...lets not go there...
 
Forget that...lets talk about the CAPO.... and it's use on a guitar.
 
Yeah, lots of beginners use it to "Cheat" until (hopefully) they can learn the REAL CHORDS.....   It does serve that purpose and speaking as someone who was, and could in some ways still be considered a beginner, yep...I used it for that very purpose.  
 
As I learned some stuff, I no longer needed to use the CAPO to cheat since I had learned the Eb and Ab and all those other strange chords.  I'm still working to master AM..... in the way BAPU has...... CAPO or not....
 
For a long time there in the middle,  I didn't own a CAPO. I think I gave it to another beginner.  
 
I forget the actual reason that I bought one again....perhaps I didn't buy it, it may have been given to me by someone thinking I was a beginner ...I don't remember.
 
Anyway, I am now the owner of another CAPO.... and I do find it useful to change the timbre of the guitar.  Slap it on and play and the guitar takes on a totally different sound quality that can be extremely useful to achieve a color to the sound that is unachievable in other ways.  So while I don't need it to play those "other" chords or in horn-like-keys..... I do use it for specific reasons related to tone and timbre.

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 07:58:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/07/24 22:56:13
Yeah , lets talk about capos ..
 
here's a little something I did while using a capo in standard tuning 
 

 
also they are really great when you tune your guitar to altered and open tunnings 
I've used some of these tunings and variants w a capo ..
DADGAD
DADGBD
DGDGBD
EAEAC#E
EBEG#BE
 
and let us not forget Johnny Winter has recorded some mean slide guitar while using a capo in open G 
 
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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 08:36:29 (permalink)

 
Without the Capo, we wouldn't have Here Comes The Sun.
 
What Herb said about different timbre's and tones is what the Capo is great for.  I think Songwriters probably use the Capo more than guys who consider themselves guitar players.  Sometimes, just slipping a songs chord structure up a couple of frets can totally change the song you where trying to write, that wasn't coming together.  Or, create inpiration that wasn't happening in the original key.  Or, make you realise that if you sing a song in a different key, it works better for your voice. 
 
I guess I have never really worried about it, I can chord pretty much anything on the neck.  It has always been just another tool in the tool bag for me.
 

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 08:40:17 (permalink)
take your capo put it on the 5 th fret ….
now if you play only the top 4 strings you have the same exact tuning as a tenor uke w the low g 
from High to Low A , E , C , G 
 
this happens to be one of the most popular Uke tunings as evidenced by some of the top Hawaiian Uke players  
 
now if you happen to decide to include the  2 lower strings w the capo on the 5 th fret ,
you will have the exact tuning of an instrument called The Guitalele ( I have one and I love playing it )
 
The Guitalele is tuned from high to  low A, E, C, G, D, A 
 
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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 08:46:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2014/07/24 08:53:41
I don't use a capo.  I can't figure out where to put it on my keyboard...
 
as a leader, I've worked with a lot of guitarists live.  some of them use a capo on every song that's not guitar basic chords (A, G, C...?). 
 
others don't ever use a capo.
 
it's really a preference of the guitarist and I don't look at it as a cheat or crutch at all.  it's just another tool.
 
one thing this is a problem is tuning.  it's not always easy to get the guitar in correct tune with a capo.  those who use capos in our band tend to be out of tune more often than those who do not.  especially if they move the capo between songs, they tend to not have every string exactly straight with the capo, causing some of them to be slightly out of tune with respect to the others.

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 09:03:17 (permalink)
A capo will tend to make a guitar's tuning sharp compared to having open strings but, really, how many guitars are actually in correct tune?  This is why there are so many "systems" out there that try and make the subtle adjustments required to make even EADGBE sound right.

 
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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 09:17:06 (permalink)
but, really, how many guitars are actually in correct tune?

 
....none.

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 09:39:51 (permalink)
I can't recall ever hearing capo's being associated with cheating. Personally I just like the sound created when a guitar is capo'd. Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull) first caught my attention to that sound. Of course there are the practical uses as you indicated, Rain, such as key transposing. Even then, I just never thought of it as a cheat. If it makes a song playable, then go for it.

And you can get capo frenzy...

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 09:51:52 (permalink)
My son believes capos are for lazy people who don't want to transpose.
 
I'm too lazy to agree or disagree.
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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 09:56:29 (permalink)
A capo is a good tool.  Here's a good article on them:
 
http://www.guitarworld.com/top-10-guitar-songs-played-capo
 
 

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 10:37:42 (permalink)
Capos also are a great songwriting tool.  Sometimes changing the key and tonality can take your voice and the melody places where standard tuning or bar chords do not.
 
Alternate tuning and capos are indispensable song writing tools for guitar players.
 
My capo has a built in tuner, I am double cheating !!

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 22:31:21 (permalink)
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But these all have to be recorded in a single take - no comping. I'd rather re-record the same passage 200 hundred times - seriously.
 

I do that, too. It's a curse.
 
As for the capo, I lean toward the "it's a tool" school of thought. I haven't used one for years, but it might be worth another look.
 

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/24 23:29:57 (permalink)
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Yeah , lets talk about capos ..
 
here's a little something I did while using a capo in standard tuning 
 

 

 
Great stuff, reminds me a little of Duck Baker or Davey Graham. 
 
I absolutely love using a capo on a steel string. Everything becomes much less effort to play and to me it just sounds like a more balanced sound. I do a lot of "boom-chucka" banjo style picking on guitar and it sounds amazing with the capo high up, say on the 5th fret or higher. I also like to detune my B string to an A, you get that 5th interval going on the top two strings which is a great drone. 
 

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/25 08:04:04 (permalink)
Willy Porter, using a full and a partial capo together;
 


 
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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/25 09:05:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2014/07/25 11:14:10
I wonder if they are in tune. 

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/25 09:11:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2014/07/25 11:14:29
 
It's amazing how many different tunings Rick Parfitt uses in the Quo repertoire...
 
But instead of using a capo or retuning between each song, he just straps on a different geetar
 
Note to Krist: Inform your other half that you'll now need a separate guitar for every tuning you use. Explain to her that this makes sound financial sense because you will then be able to trade in your capo in for about half what you paid for it, and she'll definitely be on board with that

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/25 09:33:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2014/09/05 10:24:02
I don't use a capo anymore. It's just more satisfying to hit the lead singer in the back of the head with a spare drum key when he needs it. The capo's aerodynamics leave a lot to be desired. 
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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/25 10:55:36 (permalink)
I also can spin a wheel on my JTV 69 and use a virtual capo. 
 
I do not do this very often, but I can !
 
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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/25 11:06:50 (permalink)
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I also can spin a wheel on my JTV 69 and use a virtual capo. 
 
I do not do this very often, but I can !
 
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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/25 11:21:57 (permalink)
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I don't use a capo anymore. It's just more satisfying to hit the lead singer in the back of the head with a spare drum key when he needs it. The capo's aerodynamics leave a lot to be desired. 




AHH!!!!  So THAT'S why they give you another drum key with every extra bit of kit you buy!  It all makes sense now. 

 
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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/25 12:19:11 (permalink)
I used that feature a fair bit on my Variax Jeff. Especially for drop-D tuning or for changing the 'key' of the whole guitar at once. I was always impressed with how Line 6 made that work so well.

 
.....isn't that cheating.    
 
I have always thought those Gibson robotic tuners were cheating a bit as well.  Why should they be automatically in tune when the rest of us are not?

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/07/25 12:40:30 (permalink)
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I used that feature a fair bit on my Variax Jeff. Especially for drop-D tuning or for changing the 'key' of the whole guitar at once. I was always impressed with how Line 6 made that work so well.

 
.....isn't that cheating.    
 
I have always thought those Gibson robotic tuners were cheating a bit as well.  Why should they be automatically in tune when the rest of us are not?


that sounds more like jealousy! 

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Re: Just got my very first... 2014/09/05 09:40:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/09/05 15:53:42
Here's some more nice capo technique:

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