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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/07 18:06:01 (permalink)
It is not just m-audio
Right, I mentioned that eariler "USB midi devices, especially M-Audio's have a tendency to trap Sonar's process into midi gridlock should it ever crash."

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/07 18:49:06 (permalink)
Funny ! If i unplug & replug the Midisport usb cable, when reconnecting the device, windows ask me the driver of the midisport each time !

Well that's better than waiting / wasting 5-10 mins isn't it ? Since we now know it's somehow an USB device probleme, I can't prevent myself from wondering if there's a cleaner method...
post edited by J_War - 2007/01/07 19:08:06

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/07 23:16:42 (permalink)
This has been happening to me too with an M-Audio Axiom 61 and a Tascam FW 1082. Not sure which is the culprit, but I'll try turning them off next time and see what happens. I can restart my PC no problems tho... it just makes me shut down the process with that little timing dialog.
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/07 23:54:21 (permalink)
The trick works like a charm for me : unplugging and replugging the Midisport solves the problem and sonar can be restarted as soon as i've unplugged/replugged it

Too bad there's not a "cleaner" alternative

Thanks guys for the help !

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/08 03:33:16 (permalink)
i have similar problems w/ my brand new motu 4x4
where I find my self usb "plug-cycling" too often.
(checking thier forum, I'm not the only one)

I was going to sell it and get an m-audio usb device,
but it looks like they are no better. (on pc w/ sonar)

I wonder if RME's integrated midi gives any woes?
Might be time to sell the sound card and midi 5x5 and go for an
integrated solution such as the ff800 or ff400 ...

Can anyone comment on ff800's midi i/o and sonar?
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/08 08:06:01 (permalink)
I haven't missed the midi monitor icon at all, btw. It's handy for testing when midi isn't working but most of the time it just sits there wasting resources.

Thanks for the Ctrl-Shutdown tip.

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/08 13:02:24 (permalink)
It's something i always had with every version of sonar

It's been happening to me for years. The problem has persisted through changing OS (Win2K to XP), changing hardware (three different CPU/MOBO/RAM/HD configurations), and it happens with and without a USB keyboard installed or plugged in. I usually compose with the mouse and my newest setup with the latest SONAR doesn't even have the keyboard installed yet. It still hangs sometimes, exactly as described above - a zombie process that will not be killed without a reboot. I accept it as a condition of SONAR use.

I think, as an earlier poster suggested, the problem may lie with one or more errant instrument plugins. I've always used many. I have AUTOSAVE turned on and I've lost only a little work due to this stubborn SONAR problem.

Hard reset to speed things up has never harmed my PC or data in many years of SONAR use.
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/08 15:21:08 (permalink)
This won't help get to the root of the problem but kill.exe works great to "kill" any process. You can download it free from here http://www.mattkruse.com/utilities/
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/08 18:00:14 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: JTANK

It's something i always had with every version of sonar

It's been happening to me for years. The problem has persisted through changing OS (Win2K to XP), changing hardware (three different CPU/MOBO/RAM/HD configurations), and it happens with and without a USB keyboard installed or plugged in. I usually compose with the mouse and my newest setup with the latest SONAR doesn't even have the keyboard installed yet. It still hangs sometimes, exactly as described above - a zombie process that will not be killed without a reboot. I accept it as a condition of SONAR use.

I think, as an earlier poster suggested, the problem may lie with one or more errant instrument plugins. I've always used many. I have AUTOSAVE turned on and I've lost only a little work due to this stubborn SONAR problem.

Hard reset to speed things up has never harmed my PC or data in many years of SONAR use.



Same thing here, I don't remember about Pro-9 but I do know I experienced this with Sonar-2. I've gotten to where I can feel it comeing on, things start feeling slightly sluggish. When this happens I save with a new name, exit Sonar, and reboot. I've always wondered it the "Undo" history might have something to do with it but don't know for sure.

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/08 18:33:40 (permalink)
These reg tweaks might help reduce the time it takes for
SONAR and any related services to die after a crash/hang.

If you don't know what these are or how to use them,
then they are probably not for you.

==================================================
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop]
"WaitToKillAppTimeout"="1"
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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control]
"WaitToKillServiceTimeout"="1"
==================================================
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/08 19:39:17 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: FretWizz

==================================================
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop]
"WaitToKillAppTimeout"="1"
==================================================
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control]
"WaitToKillServiceTimeout"="1"
==================================================


Hi FretWizz,

Both mine currently appear to be set at 20000, are you saying change that to a 1?

T.S.
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/08 23:01:19 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: T.S.
Hi FretWizz,
Both mine currently appear to be set at 20000, are you saying change that to a 1?


Yes.

And disable the midi monitor in the tray.

Gloabal Options ...
uncheck .... " Show MIDI Activity on Windows Taskbar"
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 00:28:04 (permalink)
==================================================
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop]
"WaitToKillAppTimeout"="1"
==================================================
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control]
"WaitToKillServiceTimeout"="1"
==================================================

will try that out, thanks !
if it works, it might be cleaner and more convenient than playing with the faulty device's cable
post edited by J_War - 2007/01/09 00:47:23

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 05:10:18 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: T.S.


ORIGINAL: FretWizz

==================================================
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop]
"WaitToKillAppTimeout"="1"
==================================================
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control]
"WaitToKillServiceTimeout"="1"
==================================================


Hi FretWizz,

Both mine currently appear to be set at 20000, are you saying change that to a 1?

T.S.



Microsoft says -
"WaitToKillServiceTimeout determines how long the system waits for services to stop after notifying the service that the system is shutting down. This entry is used only when the user issues a shut-down command by clicking the Shut Down button on the Windows 2000 Security dialog box or by selecting Shut down from the Shut Down Windows dialog box.

When the value of this entry expires, the system notifies the user that the service has not stopped. The user can either force the service task to stop or continue to wait. If the user waits, this value specifies the interval between repeated user notices that the service has not stopped.

If all services stop before this value expires, the system shuts down; it does not wait for this value to expire."

If this is correct, then it does not explain why altering this parameter helps, unless you have already invoked a shutdown (or restart, presumably) - that would not achieve the desired result of killing SONARPDR without a reboot.
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 09:31:42 (permalink)
in my roland RPC studio this isnt a problem.. but at my other studio which is based around a digi002, i also have this problem. even a normal shutdown of sonar will leave sonarpdr running, prevent me to start up sonar and/or protools.

cntrl alt delete is my friend
post edited by lavoll - 2007/01/09 09:51:41
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 10:10:43 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: lavoll

in my roland RPC studio this isnt a problem.. but at my other studio which is based around a digi002, i also have this problem. even a normal shutdown of sonar will leave sonarpdr running, prevent me to start up sonar and/or protools.

cntrl alt delete is my friend


For most of us, who experienced the problem, CTRL+ALT+DEL wasn't helpful at all.
The problem mentioned here is the fact that it is impossible to kill the "sonarpdr.exe" process after a crash, even using a process killer/crtl+alt+del and other common methods.

It's most likely a USB midi port device problem, unplugging > replugging the faulty device seems to be the only solution.

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 10:23:34 (permalink)
I presume that lavoll's friendship with CTRL+ALT+DEL sprang up in ancient times when CTRL+ALT+DEL caused an immediate reboot!
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 10:30:32 (permalink)
Wow. I have learned something today. I have had this problem since Sonar 1. I've always used midiman interfaces...Radium 61 now, same thing. I always thought it was a Sonar bug (which it really is), but it's good to know I can just unplug my midi interface to fix it. The options tip is most useful too. Once again this forum proves to be most helpful. Thanks guys.

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 10:32:41 (permalink)
ancient times... there's a radio commercial on here for a cell-phone, and a teenage girls is saying the phrase "whats wrong with you? Were you born in the 70s?"

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 10:51:19 (permalink)
The same thing happens with my Emu 1820m. I have found that stopping the "Cdilla..." Emu copyright authorization service in task manager lets me reboot cleanly. Otherwise it's a power off restart. btw, for you Emu users, do not stop that service in "services" or your Emu card won't work.
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 13:29:54 (permalink)
strange. i don't see that process running under task manager, but my emu 1820m is running fine.
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 13:31:43 (permalink)
LabDog, I have the Gina24 and also hate it that a Sonar crash hoses the audio drivers.....
I find I have to restart PC to regain audio.
Are you reporting that a simple device re-enable does the trick?
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 14:29:14 (permalink)
I may have gotten the name wrong...in fact I am sure of it, but I am close. Anyway when Sonar won't release from memory, I close that process and I can reboot safely. Hope that helps someone...actually, I hope no one has the problem to begn with.
post edited by fetishfrog - 2007/01/09 14:49:10
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 14:37:39 (permalink)
I had this happen today with an m-Audio ozone.

When I switched off the Ozone, the SONARSTD.EXE dissapeared from the Task Manager.

Switched it back on, XP picked it up again (without asking for drivers or anything) and I was able to load up Sonar again instantly.
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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 18:35:39 (permalink)
is it sonar, or device drivers? unplugging the device unloads the drivers in wondoze, allowing sonar to shut down, so maybe sonar is waiting for some event notification from the drivers on shutdown, which some don't provide, or provide incorrectly, so sonar waits... and waits... then you power-cycle the device, allowing sonar to finish shutting down...?

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/09 19:17:49 (permalink)
It's probably both.
It would be interesting to know if this behaviour occurs with other DAW softwares !
Any protool, cubase or logic audio user around here ?
post edited by J_War - 2007/01/09 19:37:59

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/10 02:12:55 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: stratton

On my rig, I found that the driver for the midisport usb 2X2 wasn't releasing after a crash, and if I unplugged it, sonar would finally be able to close.

I found it better to reboot after doing so, but at least Windows was the able to restart a lot more quickly without having to kill or wait for SONAR to close.



when I stopped using USB midi period mine got better.

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/10 09:03:07 (permalink)
Somewhere around Sonar 4, I read somone suggest unplugging MIDI device to kill. Worked for me back then, but for quite a while unplugging my device (Oxygen8) immediately causes BSOD every time. Don't know what changed or exactly when, but obviously not a good option for me any more. Waiting 3-5 minutes or rebooting are my only options now. (I think I've been able to solve once or twice by opening and closing an earlier version of Sonar -- then I can open S6.)

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/13 01:43:46 (permalink)
Are you reporting that a simple device re-enable does the trick?
Indeed Vuzz, that's exactly what I'm saying. As long as the card(s) are not physically in use at the time you attempt this, you can simply disable, then re-enable the card and it will once again be in full operation

Just be sure that neither Windows or any other program it attempting to use it when you do this; it works like a charm!

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RE: KILL ! KILL ! Kill Sonarpdr.exe !!! 2007/01/13 02:03:11 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: oY

strange. i don't see that process running under task manager, but my emu 1820m is running fine.


As it is rights protection for EMU software (e.g. Emulator X and associated sample libraries) I presume that an 1820m alone would not require it.
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