LA2A
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KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
Reaper 114 Mu-Lab 15 FL Studio 52 Sony Acid 3 Cubase 106 Ableton Live 86 Reason 11 Studio One 126 Buzz 3 Samplitude 15 Zynewave Podium 9 Renoise 15 Orion 9 Cakewalk Sonar 38 Nanostudio 1 Mixcraft 6 Mixman 0 NI Maschine 5 Logic Pro X 48 Pro Tools 13 OhmStudio 1 Caustic 2 From these results i simply can't see how Pro-Tools is the industry standard, i think that may actually be a misnomer calling Pro-Tools the industry standard..Looks like Studio One Reaper and Cubase take the Cake.
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markyzno
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 05:26:42
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I doubt if alot of the Pro Tools studio guys (alot are in post production) even voted. This is hardly representational of Pro Use.
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dubdisciple
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 09:42:39
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LA2A Reaper 114 Mu-Lab 15 FL Studio 52 Sony Acid 3 Cubase 106 Ableton Live 86 Reason 11 Studio One 126 Buzz 3 Samplitude 15 Zynewave Podium 9 Renoise 15 Orion 9 Cakewalk Sonar 38 Nanostudio 1 Mixcraft 6 Mixman 0 NI Maschine 5 Logic Pro X 48 Pro Tools 13 OhmStudio 1 Caustic 2 From these results i simply can't see how Pro-Tools is the industry standard, i think that may actually be a misnomer calling Pro-Tools the industry standard..Looks like Studio One Reaper and Cubase take the Cake.
Unless these results are accompanied by data that indicates the voters actually represent a cross-section of industry professionals, this says nothing one way other about the status of PT as standard. It would be like coming to a conclusion about what cars NASCAR racers prefer based on a poll on an car enthusiast site.
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 10:12:32
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I have access to industry sales figures. Although they're confidential, let's just say the results are quite different from what's above...including Sonar's ranking, which has been a very pleasant surprise.
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Beepster
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 10:28:22
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Not to mention that the large majority of current day DAW users are hobbyiests/semi-pros with home studios or small scale independent tracking studios with limited budgets. To the cost of the flagship PT release, all the Avid approved extras needed to perform tasks required in modern music production AND all the PT friendly hardware you could probably buy a nice car. Is THAT version the "Best" DAW? IDK, because I've never used it and don't really have much interest in doing so but it is indeed the industry standard for now so it must have something going for it. I personally think it's just because it was the first widely used DAW so it took it's place in the educational institutions and big studios. If you are "pro" you are expected to know it so you can walk into any studio and just get to work. Kind of like a lot of spreadsheet and wordprocessing softwares or coding languages. There may be better alternatives that have certain advantages but for the sake of consistency and not having to have people take 10 college/uni courses instead of one or two the known and established software gets used. CONFORM!!! ;-p PS: If I did ever find myself in a position to drop the coin needed to buy the dream PT rig I'd probably spend it on Nuendo and a ton of cool gear instead... and copies of all the less expensive DAWs to just to play around with. I'd get far more bang for my buck(s) that way I think. Then if I wanted to use PT I'd just rent some studio time. AFAIK Reaper can basically be turned into a PT clone anyway.
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 10:31:45
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Standards smandards I'll use what ever works best for me. Regards,
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 11:10:00
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at first glance I thought the # s next to them were there rank ..lol im like nanostudio ? #1 who are these people.
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 11:15:37
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chuckebaby at first glance I thought the # s next to them were there rank ..lol im like nanostudio ? #1 who are these people.
lol... Just googled it and it's an iPad/iPhone thingie. One of the features is that you can "master" with. lololololol....
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 11:26:24
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a meaningless survey. It's almost as bad as posting a vote here for favorite DAW. Myself like probably 89% of the KVR lurkers go there for free stuff. So it does not surprise me that Reaper is king of the hill with that group. Reaper is a great DAW for people with no money who have good computer skills to turn it into something. Myself I found it a waste of time compared to Sonar or Cubase. And Pro Tools is still a well oiled machine. Another small studio in my hometown has just switched from Sonar to Pro tools and is lovin it. That's 2 of them now. But He only records Audio, he is not a musician and has no clue about midi. His clients show up with a real drummer or thier Sonar, Cubase or Garage band drum tracks.
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dubdisciple
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 11:32:42
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I play around with caustic on my phone
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dubdisciple
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 11:33:11
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I play around with caustic on my phone
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Beepster
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 11:39:32
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dubdisciple I play around with caustic on my phone
Haven't heard of that but I don't doubt a lot can be done on iThingies. Some of them are more powerful than the systems used when digital audio first came out. Just the thought of some dude "mastering" his album on his phone makes me giggle like a schoolgirl. Tee hee!
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 11:48:35
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As Craig said, this is not a very scientific way of calculating market share. And it doesn't represent reality at all.
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dubdisciple
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 11:50:33
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Caustic is surprisingly good for what seemslike a toy. Not a bad scratchpad and one of few audio apps that work reasonably well on android.
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Beepster
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 11:55:52
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I'd like to get a basic MIDI editor for my laptop that won't squonk out using the onboard sound with BFD Eco or AD and some general synth/instrument sounds. That way I can put together drum parts and little melodies or whatever as they pop into my head without having to boot up the DAW. I really don't think the lappy will like X3 without an interface. Music Creator? Something else? oh... and it would have to be dirt cheap/free... because... yanno... broke ass beepin' beeper. edit: I just remembered I have a copy of Ableton Live Lite that came with my interface. Seems like a massive switcharoo from how I usually work but maybe that'll do it. hmm....
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 13:10:12
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Live would definitely do it, or project 5 if you can get hold of it... I only moved to live cos p5 never got multi core support, I much prefer p5
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 13:20:53
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lawp Live would definitely do it, or project 5 if you can get hold of it... I only moved to live cos p5 never got multi core support, I much prefer p5
Sweet. Ableton seems a little intimidating for a rock dinosaur like me but it has always intrigued me. The main thing for me is it just needs a PRV type set up and I'm good. I'm assuming it'll have quite a few instruments and drum stuff included so I'd just use that to write with. Everything would get transferred onto my big rig anyway where all my good synths live. ...and who knows, maybe I'll become the next big electronic dance sensation. lol! Cheers.
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 16:11:49
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LA2A From these results i simply can't see how Pro-Tools is the industry standard, i think that may actually be a misnomer calling Pro-Tools the industry standard..Looks like Studio One Reaper and Cubase take the Cake.
As numerous others have said, you've got to examine the source. KVR is a cool site... but there's a definite "culture" or bias towards (and against) certain apps/plugins. Also, I don't think too many "industry" folks participate there. Younger folks and less serious users are attracted to low cost apps... which IMO is skewing the results. An obvious example: Based on the numbers above, FL Studio has four times the market share of ProTools.  That's certainly not the case.
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 19:19:42
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That poll is so far from scientific that it should be totally disregarded. I've conducted professional research projects throughout my career, and a poll like this one from KVR provides nothing of true value. Not even a tiny part of it can be reliable. And when those in-the-know state that it completely disagrees with actual sales figures, that should end the discussion of validity. People can comment and vote however they like, but the real test of a product's popularity comes from how many people actually lay out their hard-earned cash for it.
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/21 21:04:10
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not to mention the OP is the one and only post from a new member...............
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/22 00:34:00
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Hey Beep, The free version of Presonus Studio One might fit the bill. I use it with my crappy built-in audio card, and it works fine for for fiddling around with loops and building ideas with midi. And it fits your budget... -John
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/22 06:43:50
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There's a free version of StudioOne? Like not a demo that times out or is horrendously crippled in some way? I will DEFINITELY be looking into that. I hear many good things about S1... not that I'd bail on my beloved X3... but I am a curious dude and do need something lightweight for the lappy, as I said. Might as well be something good. Thanks muchly, Fuddy.
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/22 09:45:37
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markyzno...This is hardly representational of Pro Use... That's it in a nutshell. There should be no surprise that the "industry standard" Pro Tools did poorly in this survey. Reaper is #1 in this KVR thing - And, um, I'll put good $ down right here that exactly Zero pros use Reaper. That program is popular because it's almost free (I remember when it Was free) and has the same basic features as any DAW - It's The People's DAW of choice, but certainly not the pro DAW of choice. Randy
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/22 10:34:39
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markyzno...This is hardly representational of Pro Use...
That's it in a nutshell. There should be no surprise that the "industry standard" Pro Tools did poorly in this survey. Reaper is #1 in this KVR thing - And, um, I'll put good $ down right here that exactly Zero pros use Reaper. That program is popular because it's almost free (I remember when it Was free) and has the same basic features as any DAW - It's The People's DAW of choice, but certainly not the pro DAW of choice. Randy
I think there's a paradigm around a Pro being defined by the tools they use versus their measure of talent/success. I've seen some software / hardware getting heavy use in successful pro studios that surprised me more than once.
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/22 11:24:59
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/22 11:28:04
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musicroom I think there's a paradigm around a Pro being defined by the tools they use versus their measure of talent/success. I've seen some software / hardware getting heavy use in successful pro studios that surprised me more than once.
Overall I agree; I've heard canned Reason loops in car commercials. But with Pro Tools, I think the main "pro" issue is project transfers. My understanding is that there's basically a community of LA audio/video pros who need to have a common project format, and they use Pro Tools because it became really entrenched really early, can work well with video, and they can swap projects easily. The pros who use Sonar often fall into the "music creation" category, which doesn't require this kind of project transfer. This is particularly true with people who have to track in a Pro Tools studio for one reason or another, but then take out the wav files and bring them into Sonar for editing and mixing. They don't need to ever put the project back into Pro Tools again.
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lawp
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/22 11:32:06
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is the "pro" short for "professional" or "producer"? i suspect people mix these up
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Beepster
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/22 12:05:30
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lawp yeah, it's just a poll of kvr users' favourite daws... @beepster, you can get the free version here http://www.presonus.com/products/studio-one/download but yes it is quite crippled, though you may be able to do what you need with it
I was looking at the website earlier as well as some promo/tut vids but it was unclear as to whether there was a basic drum synth or a synth with percussion capabilities included. There was also a little blurb saying the free version did not allow you to use third party VSTs. Although melodies can be done with any old thing and I'm sure I could do it with what comes with the free version my main interest is being able to flesh out my drum parts which is the most tedious part of what I do really. Lots of weird patterns and elaborate fills that I'd like to be able to poke away at as I sit with my morning tea and peruse news stories on the net as opposed to being chained to the DAW. I will probably download it anyway because I am curious about S1 and perhaps there is a workaround even if it is crippled in this capacity and I still have that Ableton Lite thing that'll probably work. Just nice to know what the other guys are doing and having options. The one funny thing I found when watching one of the S1 vids from NAMM was some fellow trying to showcase the programs comping abilities. It was kind of similar to X3 but not nearly as cool. Like the guy was having to swipe through takes instead of having defined segment lines and just cycling through with the arrow keys. Looked like a pain but might have been a case of the guy not really knowing how to use the program. There were a lot of points where he didn't seem to actually know a lot of basic stuff and the audience and host kept having to give him tips. lol
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LA2A
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/22 19:28:50
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In the search for more credibility on sales, seeing as Craig says the actual 'hard sales-figures' are undisclosed to the majority, the following may be the closest we'll get to the truth... looks like Pro Tools is doing better than i originally surmised. According to Digital Music Doctor, which has been tracking Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) popularity since 2004. The latest results are pretty surprising: instead of Pro Tools, Imageline’s FL Studio now takes the cake, both on a quarterly and yearly average basis as of early 2013. One thing to keep in mind is that this is not based on actual unit sales, rather popularity across search engines (Google, Yahoo+Bing), social networks (Facebook, Twitter) and YouTube. But still, this is quite telling i would think. I'm still not a fan of pro tools, never will be. Ableton live made no sense to me, the interface was ghastly to say the least. Also, according to some other official figure... in 2010 Propellerhead Reason outsold every other DAW in the US besides Avid Pro Tools.
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Re: KVR vote for 'Best Daw'
2014/05/22 20:39:48
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All the professional and classically-trained composers I know read and write music. To compare a DAW without a notation editor to one that has one is not going to give a good sense as to what pros use. Sonar Digital Performer Pro Tools Cubase Logic The above 5 DAWS are the only ones trained composers use. I am not referring to what recording engineers, sound effects people or others use, only composers. Jerry www.jerrygerber.com
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