Keeping a mono track mono

What actually happens? When you install LP 64 EQ, does your mono track suddenly flip to stereo?
Are both sides of the stereo populated with your recorded mono track?

When I process audio effects, the track changes to stereo. The wav symbol changes to stereo and there is a left and right wav in the clip window.

Not the input. I recorded the track already. It is mono. I used Ampeg SVX and did process audio effects. Still mono clip. Put Sonitus or LP 64 Eq in the bin, process audio - instant stereo track.

Can't reproduce here. I right-clicked in the FX bin and Insert Audio FX/Sonitus, then tried LP-64 EQ, and also dragged them from the browser to the bin.
 
What am I looking out for?
Is it the same effect you'd get if you select the recorded clip, right-click/Convert to Stereo? And the input stays mono?

You have to have mono audio on the track. You have to insert either plug and run 'process audio effects' on the track. it will turn the track to a stereo track.

Thanks for going along for the ride! Now for some true mono plugs...

It is not happening for me. The track stays mono after the bounce.
I put the Sonitus EQ in a mono track effects bin. Then I went to: Process/Apply Effect/Audio Effects
I got the little white box that says: "This will apply any audio effects from the track FX rack to the selected clip"
Click OK and the render occurs and I still have a mono clip.
 
What version Sonar you running? Platinum here.
 
 
 

mikedocy
It is not happening for me. The track stays mono after the bounce.

Press the Interleave button and set it to Stereo.
This is the little button in the track inspector (NOT ProChannel) that is in the group with the M, S, R, red record button, echo etc...
It is the first button topleft, little "o" with an upside-down triangle under it.
Click on it and the single "o" turns into a double "oo" to indicate stereo interleaving.
Now try again.
 
Edit:
The help warns of a loss of stereo information with mono effects because the input is summed. But nowhere does it say a mono clip will turn into a stereo clip or v. v.
 

jpetersen

mikedocy
It is not happening for me. The track stays mono after the bounce.

Press the Interleave button and set it to Stereo.

 
OK. It works just like it is supposed to work:
 
1. Setting the interleave to stereo and rendering the track yields a stereo clip.
This is how it is supposed to work.
 
2. Setting the interleave to mono and rendering the track yields a mono clip.
This is how it is supposed to work.
 
 

jshep0102
Sorry, but you're not doing it right, Mike.. Make a mono track, record a mono signal. Insert Sonitus eq into fx bin and process audio effects. It turns the file stereo.

Seriously, that is what I did... but I'll try it again and document the steps so we can see if we are doing the same thing.
 
I have a mono track of bass guitar. The track has no effects or amp sim on it.
The interleave was set to mono during record, and is still set to mono now. In track view I see a mono clip waveform.
 
a. In the FX bin (either in Track View or Console view): I press the "+"
b. Mouse scroll to: Insert Audio FX/DirectX/Sonitus:fx/Equalizer. Left click the Equalizer to insert it.
c. Change a few bands on EQ.
d. Now go to the top Sonar menu bar and select: Process/Apply Effect/Audio Effects.
e. Now I have a little white box titled: Apply Audio Effects. (Delete effects... and Fast Bounce are both checked). 
f. I click "OK". The little blue time box displays: Mixing down audio.
g. Done and the clip is still mono.
 
Is this what you are doing and if not what step is different in your procedure?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

jshep0102
Yes, sir. Exactly. It didn't sound the same in your 1st explanation of steps, sorry. Still for me either eq gives me the same result.

For clarification: when you do the steps I have outlined above, you get a stereo clip instead of a mono clip?
 

I don't follow the logic. The track is mono and presents itself that way with the single wav icon next to the track number. Why would the interpolation be set to stereo?
 To get the bass to be mono in the mix, I have to switch the bus to mono...

The icon next to the track number is just a track icon. This is just a bitmap. You can select any icon you want... guitar, drum, numbers.

What do you mean, "put the mono up" - what are you using that phrase to describe?
 
a) Is the track icon showing the icon with one wavelet and you want the one with two?
b) Are you referring to the symbol on the Interpolation button=
C) Are there two tracks put up in the track display waveform?
 
Edit: OK, my bad. I had "Show in Strip" option turned off, probably because I turned it off way back in X1 and successive updates have just taken over my settings.
 
Good, I'm with you now. That symbol. Stereo or Mono. I'm going to try everything again and see how this symbol reacts. I am already noticing that it only responds to the first thing I record. So it is stereo because I recorded a bit of stereo, then I changed the input to only a single input and recorded again, now mono. But that symbol stays stereo.

Look at the bottom of the sonitus (or any other plugin) "button" in the effects bin.  You'll see a small, very hard to see, vertical line or lines coming out the bottom of the button.  There is one line if the effect is mono and two lines if the effect is stereo.  If you put a stereo effect into the effects bin of a mono track, you'll get stereo output.  Freeze the effects bin and you'll see left and right signals.
 
I've noticed before that sometimes GuitarRig will have the two little lines below it indicating a stereo effect, even though nothing in the preset is in stereo mode.  I've used the same patch in Guitar Rig on another track and have a single, mono, line.  I've never found any rhyme or reason to it.  Perhaps it's a bug.