STinGA
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Key Change?
Hi
Is there a way of automatically changing the Key of a song to another? I have a midi track written in E Major and want to change it to Minor. Is there a way of doing this automatically using transpose or some other trickery? Up to now I have just used the snap to scale feature in the PRV and clicked away.... but the tune I have written has been suggested a change to Minor.
Any help much appreciated
Thanks
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 07:39:55
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Set the now time to where you want the key change to occur. Then go to "Project/ insert meter/key change. Then just make sure you set the dialog box the way you like.
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 08:14:54
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Then transpose it to G since E minor is the relative minor of the key of G major.
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 11:54:15
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I read the question wrong. If it's in the key of Emajor, then select the midi track then go to "process/transpose." You can either transpose it up or down. If there are drums in your midi track or on another track, they may transpose as well. If they do, undo the transpose. You will have to un-link the midi tracks or something. I'm not sure about this part.
You will still have to do the steps mentioned in my earlier post so everything looks correct.
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STinGA
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 12:03:08
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Thanks loads chaps. Its the whole song so I guess I will just transpose. How many steps would I need to transpose by to go from E to G (Em).
Help much appreciated.
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 12:30:41
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Guys,
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the OP wants to change from Major to Minor.
Just in case I understood well here's what you can do...
First of all clone your Midi track. You will need the Major bit for when you modulate (you're not transposing there) to G Major.
So go back to your first track.
Select your MIDI track in Emaj.
Go to PRV - on the left where you have the piano keyboard click on the G# - this will select all your G#s in the whole track.
Nudge down once (from G# down to G)
This will turn your Emaj to Emin.
Obviously you have to repeat these steps for ALL the octaves where you have G# playing.
To transpose to G (relative major of Emin): -
Select the entire second MIDI track which is still in Major.
And in the console view you have a box with Transpose in it.
Input 3
This will transpose from E major to G major.
Delete the overlapping major/minor bits and you're done :)
P.S. Sonar says transpose but in your case, playing a song which start on E min in the verse and changes to G major in the chorus is called Modulation (nothing to do with the modulation wheel on a keyboard).
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STinGA
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 12:49:21
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Thanks Samhandyman..... that's sounds like exactly what I am after.
Actually I think I did know it was called Modualtion, we do a similar thing with Drums.
I am now off to play.
Thanks everyone. I'll report back with findings.
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 12:59:06
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OOPS! Samhayman (miss read totally )
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 13:17:11
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hm.. maybe you can fix this with the midi-plugin "transpose" ?
if you insert this to the FX-bin on a midi-channel and select "custom map".
then just change the notes you need to change ("from" and "to" in the "pitch"-window to the right)
save this as a preset and insert the same plugin on every MIDI-channel and load your preset
..I've never used this plugin, so I don't know if it'll work..
but it's worth a try, dont' you think? ;)
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 13:23:58
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STinGA
Thanks Samhandyman..... that's sounds like exactly what I am after.
Actually I think I did know it was called Modualtion, we do a similar thing with Drums.
I am now off to play.
Thanks everyone. I'll report back with findings.
 lol! I've heard a million version of my name but handyman is definitely a new one. Glad I could helped :)
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 13:59:40
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Your still not giving the whole story. If he wants the key to still be in E but make it minor, you'll have to lower the G# as explained as well as the C# and the D# since the key of Emajor has 4 sharps and eminor has 1 sharp, F#. Bear in mind though, some of the D sharps you may want to leave as a D sharp instead of lowering it to a D natural. This is done so whenever you hit a B chord, you can keep the dominant feeling of pushing back to the e. You'll have to trust your ear on which chords to leave the D note sharp or make it a D natural.
If you want the song to retain it's major sound, then you'll have to follow the steps I laid out. If you indeed do want the change the sound of the song to a minor sound, then follow Samheyman's method with the additional information I gave in this post.
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 14:15:30
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Guitarpima
Your still not giving the whole story. If he wants the key to still be in E but make it minor, you'll have to lower the G# as explained as well as the C# and the D# since the key of Emajor has 4 sharps and eminor has 1 sharp, F#. Bear in mind though, some of the D sharps you may want to leave as a D sharp instead of lowering it to a D natural. This is done so whenever you hit a B chord, you can keep the dominant feeling of pushing back to the e. You'll have to trust your ear on which chords to leave the D note sharp or make it a D natural.
If you want the song to retain it's major sound, then you'll have to follow the steps I laid out. If you indeed do want the change the sound of the song to a minor sound, then follow Samheyman's method with the additional information I gave in this post.
or you can try my suggestion. I've tried this now and it works great. and also; since you can save the change as a preset you just have to make the settings once and then insert the plugin and load your preset on the other midi-tracks
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 14:18:11
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I was going for the melodic minor :P
No. Joking aside - was trying to keep it simple but you're absolutely right.
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STinGA
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 14:56:11
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Wow, too much for a drummer to take in :-) must now go read all again, and inwardly digest.
Thanks all
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 15:49:06
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Your still not giving the whole story. If he wants the key to still be in E but make it minor, you'll have to lower the G# as explained as well as the C# and the D# since the key of Emajor has 4 sharps and eminor has 1 sharp, F#. Bear in mind though, some of the D sharps you may want to leave as a D sharp instead of lowering it to a D natural. This is done so whenever you hit a B chord, you can keep the dominant feeling of pushing back to the e. You'll have to trust your ear on which chords to leave the D note sharp or make it a D natural.
If you want the song to retain it's major sound, then you'll have to follow the steps I laid out. If you indeed do want the change the sound of the song to a minor sound, then follow Samheyman's method with the additional information I gave in this post.
or you can try my suggestion. I've tried this now and it works great.
and also; since you can save the change as a preset you just have to make the settings once and then insert the plugin and load your preset on the other midi-tracks
Hmm I'm a little lost. I quickely tried this method. So, I open the transpose plugin Select Custom Map Go to the right hand side to- from section select C#6 "From" Go to C#6 in "To" double click and change to C6 Now, when I go into the"From" section it has also changed to C6, what am I doing wrong? Sorry I'm feeling a bit daft! Thanks
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 15:56:10
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rather than using custom map doesn't the transpose mdx allow you to change key directly?
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Re:Key Change?
2012/09/07 16:10:46
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scook STinGA
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Guitarpima
Your still not giving the whole story. If he wants the key to still be in E but make it minor, you'll have to lower the G# as explained as well as the C# and the D# since the key of Emajor has 4 sharps and eminor has 1 sharp, F#. Bear in mind though, some of the D sharps you may want to leave as a D sharp instead of lowering it to a D natural. This is done so whenever you hit a B chord, you can keep the dominant feeling of pushing back to the e. You'll have to trust your ear on which chords to leave the D note sharp or make it a D natural.
If you want the song to retain it's major sound, then you'll have to follow the steps I laid out. If you indeed do want the change the sound of the song to a minor sound, then follow Samheyman's method with the additional information I gave in this post.
or you can try my suggestion. I've tried this now and it works great.
and also; since you can save the change as a preset you just have to make the settings once and then insert the plugin and load your preset on the other midi-tracks
Hmm I'm a little lost. I quickely tried this method.
So, I open the transpose plugin
Select Custom Map
Go to the right hand side to- from section select C#6 "From"
Go to C#6 in "To" double click and change to C6
Now, when I go into the"From" section it has also changed to C6, what am I doing wrong?
Sorry I'm feeling a bit daft!
Thanks
as I said before, today was the first time I tried this plugin.. what I noticed when I did though, was that the "from"- and "to"-notes (on the right) didn't display any # for the sharp notes.. =/ I had to double click them to see their actual state (then they showed as C# and so on as they should).. it was just a display malfunction though, because it sounded right maybe there's an easier/better way of using this plugin, as scook suggests, though. I dont' know... :)
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