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Kids watch The Beatles for the first time

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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/09 10:42:40 (permalink)
    The opposite perspective:
     

     


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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/09 11:11:27 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    Some of this is slanted badly.
     
    For example, in Brazil, there was in 1963 and 1964 a very different attitude towards "culture" that does not quite exist in America, because everyone is into soooooooookissing what they are told that is supposed to be good.
     
    Our house, already had 2K LP's of classical music, and even mom, who had a decent ear for music commented that there were some interesting melodies and vocal things. My dad, a bit more of a snob literatii -- the academic intelectual -- of course, did not think much of it, but he liked his Edith Piaf and Yves Montand (you never heard them? ... shame! hehe!). I never saw, or heard, in Brazil, the "negative" bullpucky that American folks supposedly showed in the media ... which already tells you about the media control of the arts, which Tom Dowd had suggested that was in place ... but then, we never ever thought that the media, also owned by the same conglomerates that owned the music would do that to ensure their own sales. Luckily, things like the Beatles and Rolling Stones started selling so much that the malevolent media had to die out and eventually get hit from the other side ... but it always continued in America ... I hate how Woodstock looks at our generation in the end ... and an anthem is played in front of garbage ... it was the perfect editorial of how it was looked at ... and we STILL refuse to take stock in that ... but it will continue to be so, as long as the music is vapid, just another song, and the music itself is just a copy of another song's format.
     
    My European attitude towards the music and its internationalization is very different. Did you know that the Beatles, for example, along with Stones and Kinks, were the three most played groups in the days of the Berlin Wall, and the days of Radio Free Europe and what was done to break the Soviet Union's hold in the 60's? It really ought to say how important some of the music was, and became as time went by.
     
    For that alone, my appreciation of pop music is very important ... and it is sad when older folks trash this because they were the "squares" in those days and thought all hippies were dirty and sick. Like most of those "squares" weren't!

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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/09 11:27:00 (permalink)
     It was just some kids listening to The Beatles...

     
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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/09 11:42:40 (permalink)
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     It was just some kids listening to The Beatles...


    Brazil, as big as it is, in those days, was not as "media" influenced as it might be now, and America is, because there is no local media anymore (so to speak) for you to even know your neighbor (so to speak!), but it has, a localized folk kind of scene that is very political and socially minded and extremely independent. The further away you go from Rio or Sao Paulo, the more you find this.
     
    Here, the main differences, are kinda ... different ... you go to the south and you switch radio stations and you got the same thing. You go west, it's the same thing, with a country station in the middle. You go east and you find the same thing with 2 rock stations, and that Stern guy on another station. However, when you listen to it all, it's very "empty" and not at all a completely satisfying experience.
     
    At least not to me. And the same for movies, which is even worse ... every town has exactly the same thing!
     

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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/09 11:49:29 (permalink)
    I'm sure you're right.
     
    But, it was some kids, listening to The Beatles...

     
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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/09 12:30:57 (permalink)
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    I'm sure you're right.
     
    But, it was some kids, listening to The Beatles...



    I really gave you a kid's perspective. I was born in 1950 and saw these at 13 and 14 and 15 ... and then in America at 16 with Bob Dylan's Blonde on Blonde the first album I heard here within 2 days! I was, way too culturally and socially sheltered otherwise by a mother that thought all "popular" anything was garbage. I do not believe it is ... I find something like SW and HP much more garbage'y than anything that folks here create on their instrument! Including yours!
    post edited by Moshkito - 2016/01/09 12:48:37

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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/09 13:01:17 (permalink)
    I was 6 when I first heard the Beatles on the radio.
    Nobody told me to like them.
    I liked them anyway.

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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/09 14:00:21 (permalink)
    "You can't really hate The Beatles or else you'll get killed" 
     
    My favorite quote from that video.
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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/09 18:21:19 (permalink)
    57Gregy
    I was 6 when I first heard the Beatles on the radio.
    Nobody told me to like them.
    I liked them anyway.


    Exactly.

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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/10 12:21:09 (permalink)
    James, you're missing the point, which is that the Beatles had tapped into something universal. Those kids weren't part of Beatlemania, had never been told the band was a happenin' thing, never wanted a Beatle haircut like the cool kids.
     
    Instead, they're hearing the music removed from the context of its time, with no pop-cultural cues to inform or prejudice them. Their reactions are therefore genuine. It tells me that Beatles tunes don't just resonate with me for nostalgic reasons, because it was the music of my youth. As with the melodies of composers long dead before I was born, they are genuinely good.


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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/10 12:33:16 (permalink)
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    James, you're missing the point, which is that the Beatles had tapped into something universal. Those kids weren't part of Beatlemania, had never been told the band was a happenin' thing, never wanted a Beatle haircut like the cool kids.
     
    Instead, they're hearing the music removed from the context of its time, with no pop-cultural cues to inform or prejudice them. Their reactions are therefore genuine. It tells me that Beatles tunes don't just resonate with me for nostalgic reasons, because it was the music of my youth. As with the melodies of composers long dead before I was born, they are genuinely good.




    No, I got the point completely Dave. My post was responding to Moshkito's. I can see how it looked otherwise, but I couldn't be bothered to quote his post. Did you get my PM btw?

     
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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/10 13:06:24 (permalink)
    They call themselves the "Beatles?"  They won't go far with that name! 

     
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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/15 19:57:09 (permalink)
    Now play Oasis for the kiddos and ask if they've ever heard of the band that dissed the Beatles only to disappear almost overnight because of it.  The Gallagher brothers would have faired better claiming to be bigger than Jesus than pretending they are better than the Beatles, maybe....  Nah, they still would have imploded.  Beatles for life!

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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/16 09:10:11 (permalink)
    Thanks Bit, that was delightful. I feel for the poor girl who thinks that "Everyone knows" that Beiber is the best.
     
    Kids and The Beatles. My 12 year old grand daughter loves The Beatles. She likes them more than I do now but less than I did in the 60s. She likes the movies too. They were great, timeless. Much more than "pop music".
     
    Sometimes I learn things about The Beatles that makes me wonder. Like Lennon writing "Come Together" for Timothy Leary's run for governor of CA. Leary's drug bust ended his campaign before it got started. It makes me wonder what John was thinking (or not thinking). Leary preached "ego death" but had one of the biggest egos around.
    Still, their music transcends all the weirdness, generations, and cultures.
     
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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/16 09:27:41 (permalink)
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    Now play Oasis for the kiddos and ask if they've ever heard of the band that dissed the Beatles only to disappear almost overnight because of it.  The Gallagher brothers would have faired better claiming to be bigger than Jesus than pretending they are better than the Beatles, maybe....  Nah, they still would have imploded.  Beatles for life!




    Well, I'd have to take issue with that, and I'm not a fan of Oasis....a 17 year career, 70 million albums sold, 8 UK No.1 albums and singles, 15 NME Awards, 9 Q Awards, 6 Brit Awards and nominated for 3 Grammys..hardly 'disappeared overnight' really.
     
    Noel Gallagher is a fine songwriter, and much better away from his idiot brother, his solo stuff is worth checking out.

     
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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/16 11:12:57 (permalink)
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    Instead, they're hearing the music removed from the context of its time, with no pop-cultural cues to inform or prejudice them. Their reactions are therefore genuine. It tells me that Beatles tunes don't just resonate with me for nostalgic reasons, because it was the music of my youth. As with the melodies of composers long dead before I was born, they are genuinely good.



    Which I think is a very important point when it comes to listening to music ... specially NEW stuff that most folks can not relate to.
     
    I absolutely agree with you, and yeah ... even in Brazil, we loved it, even though we had no idea what they were saying ... it didn't matter ... the music was shining through, and I think that this is some of the "magic" that we forgot about ... and I think that too many people are simply stuck on a format, and hoping their song clicks, and in the end, even though it was formulaic to a point musically, there was enough freedom, and expression, that it helped click with fans.
     
    All great music is like that ... totally agreed. But getting to that spot where you don't judge the music and listen to it neutrally, is hard for most people ... but if anyone can get past the things that "you like", and the things that "you do" (as musicians), you will find another world out there ... and it is fabulous.
     
    As on the stage, and acting exercises, CHILDREN and KIDS, is one of the biggest learning exercises ... because the results are not predictable and they catch you .... now try saying that to an experienced musician and its like you just scrambled his brain and fingers ... and he thinks he can't play!

    Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/16 12:12:20 (permalink)
    I am discovering that my 11-year-old granddaughter has a more omnivorous musical appetite than I had at her age. Then again, I didn't have YouTube to augment whatever the radio gatekeepers introduced me to.
     
    We recently spent an afternoon listening to Barbara Dennerlein, another half-day exploring Bob Marley, and another with Clara Rockmore. I did not have to coerce her into listening to these disparate musical sources. Kids are naturally open-minded. It's we adults who rob them of that gift when we encourage conformity and obedience over all else.


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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/16 13:33:58 (permalink)
    My girlfriend is 16 years younger than me and not quite the music enthusiast that I am (which is fine), so I rarely get comments one way or the other about the stuff I put on, which is nothing like the contemporary charty R&B stuff I think she has on her iPod. But occasionally she will hear a song and say "Oh what's this? I don't know why but I really like it" and from that I'm trying to get a sense of what kind of stuff I should put on without her thinking "ew...."
     
    One of them was Squeeze's "Pulling Mussels From A Shell" and another was The Pretenders' "Private Life." I'm wondering if the late 70's is an avenue I should start exploring. It was a fantastic time for pop. 

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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/16 13:50:12 (permalink)
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    My girlfriend is 16 years younger than me and not quite the music enthusiast that I am (which is fine), so I rarely get comments one way or the other about the stuff I put on, which is nothing like the contemporary charty R&B stuff I think she has on her iPod. But occasionally she will hear a song and say "Oh what's this? I don't know why but I really like it" and from that I'm trying to get a sense of what kind of stuff I should put on without her thinking "ew...."
     
    One of them was Squeeze's "Pulling Mussels From A Shell" and another was The Pretenders' "Private Life." I'm wondering if the late 70's is an avenue I should start exploring. It was a fantastic time for pop. 


     
    Yes it was..that's one of my favourite periods, there were loads of intelligent, pithy pop singles released by Squeeze, XTC, Ian Dury, Madness, The Pretenders, The Jam, Blondie, Elvis Costello, 10cc, Graham Parker, Kate Bush, The Motors, Thin Lizzy, ELO, The Cars, The Police etc etc.

     
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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/16 20:04:49 (permalink)
    And Joe Jackson. Love his first couple of albums. 

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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/17 01:53:31 (permalink)
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    Like Lennon writing "Come Together" for Timothy Leary's run for governor of CA. 



     
    I always assumed it was Dr. Ruth's theme song. 

     
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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/17 04:37:18 (permalink)
     This has been a cute lighthearted  thread ...I enjoyed both videos immensely .
     
    Aw shucks , now I feel all warm inside .
     
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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/18 10:10:06 (permalink)
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    Hi,
     
    Some of this is slanted badly.
     
    For example, in Brazil, there was in 1963 and 1964 a very different attitude towards "culture" that does not quite exist in America, because everyone is into soooooooookissing what they are told that is supposed to be good.
     
    Our house, already had 2K LP's of classical music, and even mom, who had a decent ear for music commented that there were some interesting melodies and vocal things. My dad, a bit more of a snob literatii -- the academic intelectual -- of course, did not think much of it, but he liked his Edith Piaf and Yves Montand (you never heard them? ... shame! hehe!). I never saw, or heard, in Brazil, the "negative" bullpucky that American folks supposedly showed in the media ... which already tells you about the media control of the arts, which Tom Dowd had suggested that was in place ... but then, we never ever thought that the media, also owned by the same conglomerates that owned the music would do that to ensure their own sales. Luckily, things like the Beatles and Rolling Stones started selling so much that the malevolent media had to die out and eventually get hit from the other side ... but it always continued in America ... I hate how Woodstock looks at our generation in the end ... and an anthem is played in front of garbage ... it was the perfect editorial of how it was looked at ... and we STILL refuse to take stock in that ... but it will continue to be so, as long as the music is vapid, just another song, and the music itself is just a copy of another song's format.
     
    My European attitude towards the music and its internationalization is very different. Did you know that the Beatles, for example, along with Stones and Kinks, were the three most played groups in the days of the Berlin Wall, and the days of Radio Free Europe and what was done to break the Soviet Union's hold in the 60's? It really ought to say how important some of the music was, and became as time went by.
     
    For that alone, my appreciation of pop music is very important ... and it is sad when older folks trash this because they were the "squares" in those days and thought all hippies were dirty and sick. Like most of those "squares" weren't!


    Any post with Edith Piaf and Tom Dowd will get my attention

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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/18 10:19:38 (permalink)
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    My favorite kid quote: "it's your head, you get to think".
     

     


    Lennon would have loved that.

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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/18 11:15:48 (permalink)
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     I was born in 1950......

    ah, that explains so much!
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    Re: Kids watch The Beatles for the first time 2016/01/18 16:12:02 (permalink)
    most disturbing thing was mentioning Beatles and Bieber in the same sentence..
    but then they are just kids.
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