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2012/09/14 14:05:05 (permalink)

Killing My Creativity

 
 I was on another forum where they discuss some of the things that we avoid discussing here, probably for good reason. These guys are so uptight it makes a size 20 underwear look big on Santa Clause. Anyways, I noticed that my creativity is going downhill. I know where I am and feel good in my own skin but I have been called into question on why I feel the way I do. I don't know if you have ever been at that place where you know you know and you know why you know but someone else wants facts and figures. and no matter how many you provide they want more. Is that the definition of insanity?
 
 If you said to this person or persons that you awoke yesterday they would ask you how you are convinced that you really awoke and would want a chart indicating the times and sleep cycles you had.So I made some pretty good points but I'm noticing that I am all uptight in the studio and when I'm uptight I don't do **
 
 I think I'm done with trying to show someone something who already knows the answer which is a different answer than mine ;0). Or I might try to have a little fun and lighten it up a bit.
 
 If you are a musician do you notice the same things happening? I can't create nothing of any kind of anything when I'm in that state.

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    Re: Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 14:20:07 (permalink)
      You have to admit it is a great excuse!

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    Re: Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 14:23:59 (permalink)
    Let me take a guess. You've been discussing politics online with people of a different point of view?

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    Re: Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 14:25:15 (permalink)

    IMHO......I think we've all had our moments of being "non-creative" and in a sort of musical limbo. Only you can truly understand what you're going through and very likely, you're the only one who can get you out of this slump. These little road bumps won't last very long coz the musician in you will always be nagging to emerge and be creative once again.
     I wouldn't try to force things or over-analyze this situation too much, but rather let it take it's natural course. Sometimes, a little break from music might also do some good and you may all of a sudden find an inspiration without really looking for it. Hang in there Starise....

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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 14:26:51 (permalink)
    Starise


     
    I don't know if you have ever been at that place where you know you know and you know why you know 

    In the book I'm reading right now, the Nobel Prize author would say that most of the time this is the result of heuristic thinking. 


    He states, unless we have all the facts, the human mind will (naturally) jump to conclusions based on our (usually limited) experience and tells itself that it "knows" why it knows the answer.

    Not insane thinking, just normal thinking, Tim.



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    Re: Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 14:31:33 (permalink)
    well, you hit so called runners wall or musicians bottom,
    and here're come some plants for relaxation to help you with.



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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 14:37:31 (permalink)
     Randy you're close.....Yeah Bapu and Mesh good points. I just hate it when I have studio time and I'm too uptight to think straight. I'll pull through it I'm sure. This might be a good wine night.

      I am going to a wedding this weekend and that should be a change. I am kind of like you Randy in that I don't particularly like weddings and especially weddings three hours away. One good thing though is that my motel called and said that the room I rented for a night is "having problems" and so they are offering me a whole house for the night. My wife will be babysitting her MIL so I'll be in a strange place all by myself. This could be a good thing......

     Have a good weekend guys I gotta catch an appt.!!

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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 15:19:26 (permalink)
    Hey.... since you can't discuss it here..... write a song about it.... or two.   

    I did and in the past 2 years got 2 songs from said prohibited topic... in addition to all the others I wrote in that time. You can't discuss it but we can dwell on the production values of said song and discuss low pass filtering. 

    I need to disconnect from it all for a time.... but you got to admit..... we live in interesting times.... morbid fascination draws me back like a moth to a flame...... dang... there's a new title for my next prohibited topic song...... thanks for the inspiration.... 

    you just gotta look at it all through the eyes of a musician and write what you are seeing, thinking, and feeling. 

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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 15:50:04 (permalink)
    most of us are too set in our own beliefs to allow any insight from a different point of view.
     

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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 16:03:45 (permalink)
    tom1


    most of us are too set in our own beliefs to allow any insight from a different point of view.
     
    yes, we need to come out from the box.

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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 16:48:49 (permalink)
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    tom1


    most of us are too set in our own beliefs to allow any insight from a different point of view.

    yes, we need to come out from the box.

    I was in the closet this morning.


    My Lovely Lady asked if I was going to come out of the closet.
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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 18:35:28 (permalink)
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    tom1


    most of us are too set in our own beliefs to allow any insight from a different point of view.

    yes, we need to come out from the box.

    I was in the closet this morning.


    My Lovely Lady asked if I was going to come out of the closet.



    did you?  if yes, can you give me your lovely lady telephone number?

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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 20:02:18 (permalink)
    There is nothing worse than arguing politics or religion online. It screws with your life. I used to do it. You get into these massive, drawn out debates with people in which you're both going away and doing hours of research online and posting links, then the next person responds to all of your last post point for point, then you have to go and argue against all of those arguments, and before you know it you're dreading going back to the forum in case they've replied again, because you know it's going to take another hour to answer everything they've said (and you don't want to back down because, well, you're as pig headed as the other guy). 

    It gets to the point where you're an hour late to bed because of this crap, and you're tired the next morning. Never again. 
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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 20:08:09 (permalink)
    sharke

     It gets to the point where you're an hour late to bed because of this crap, and you're tired the next morning. Never again. 

    I wasn't aware we're talking here about religion or politics....
    gush, too many margaritas today.
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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 20:17:16 (permalink)
    I thought we you were talking about low pass filtering..
    where's Danny?

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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/14 20:52:27 (permalink)
    timidi


    I thought we you were talking about low pass filtering..
    where's Danny?

    like this?




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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 02:43:08 (permalink)
    sharke

    There is nothing worse than arguing politics or religion online.  
     
    That's not true.  Arguing in the bedroom is worse.
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    It screws with your life. 
    What???  It may screw with your head, but not your life (unless you're arguing with revolutionaries or hired minions).
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    sharke

    I used to do it.  
    Like we're supposed to believe that you stopped???
    http://corksandcurds.blogspot.com/2007/08/myths-about-moldy-cheese.html
     
    sharke

    You get into these massive, drawn out debates with people in which you're both going away and doing hours of research online and posting links, 
    Why?  I don't need to do any research.  My opinions are the only ones that matter as far as I'm concerned (and I never try your links anyway).
    http://linda-sands.blogspot.com/2007/06/opinions-and-arses-today-im-keeping.html
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    ...then the next person responds to all of your last post point for point, 
    So, what's your point?
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    ...then you have to go and argue against all of those arguments, 
    No you don't!  You should just acknowledge my superior intellect and that's that.
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    ...before you know it you're dreading going back to the forum in case they've replied again, because you know it's going to take another hour to answer everything they've said (and you don't want to back down because, well, you're as pig headed as the other guy). 
    That and the fact that you're just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
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    It gets to the point where you're an hour late to bed because of this crap, and you're tired the next morning. 
    Hey, I can't help it if your reading comprehension is slow!
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    Never again.
    Until tomorrow, right?
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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 12:56:36 (permalink)
    Naturally all of your points are 100% wrong, but I don't have time to say exactly why - rest assured though I will come back to this thread at a later date, probably a month after you thought it was all done with. 
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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 15:21:49 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    Unless you are of the socialist persuasion (hahaha!!!!), why the heck, are you thinking that all of those people are the pariahs of information and knowledge to decide that you can not be creative enough?
     
    Are you afraid of your own work?
     
    End of story!
     
    This is one of the single, most important things to remember in one of these boards ... I like to joke that these people love to put you down, because it helps their own chances of getting ahead ... instead of showing how frustrated they really are with their inability to get better!
     
    That said, there are some folks here, that ARE professionals, and in this specific location there are more than one, and .. yeah ... they are good ... but they are not the pariahs, or the God that deciphered the beginning of life and music, to make the call that they know, and you don't. But in many winds, there is wisdom, so make sure you know which fart is not a fart!

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 15:38:23 (permalink)
    One of the things we have really lost, and are far poorer for it, is the ability to have a civil discussion with someone that maintains a differing point of view.

    One might actually learn something from the person with the differing view (or at the least, you will better understand why you maintain your position).

    To dare get philosophical for a second or three: When one reads many of the "in" Post-modern deconstructionists and their allies, their ivory tower pronoucements do filter down to ye olde popular culture.

    What saddens me, is that since there is no "truth" and language has no real meaning (according to them), lying - called creating "fictive history" - and rhetoric are ok to use in making your points when trying to convince others, as there is little else.

    Regarding rhetoric: When describing your "superior" position: The brilliant, innovative scholarship, daring progressive thought, blah, blah, blah...

    When describing the other "inferior" position: The poorly thought out, backwards, demeaning and reprehensible views of, blah, blah, blah...

    None of this is helpful.

    As for periods of non-creativity: they happen, and if I don't write for a period of time, that is ok; there are many other things I can keep busy and productive with.

    There was a time when I used to listen to talk radio, but I have long since ceased.  There is nothing I can directly do about the situations being discussed, and getting worked into a lather over that stuff was never helpful.  Life is much more peaceful, and I am more productive apart from it.

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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 16:37:40 (permalink)
    You can don't care about politics and don't talk about it but politics will take care about you and sooner or later you'll be screwed. I long run ignorance doesn't pay.
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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 16:43:49 (permalink)
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         There was a time when I used to listen to talk radio, but I have long since ceased.  There is nothing I can directly do about the situations being discussed, and getting worked into a lather over that stuff was never helpful.  Life is much more peaceful, and I am more productive apart from it.

    well, discussion for discussion sake develops arguing skills so it's good for you, besides sometimes having influence directly or indirectly is all the same
    in the end. Both matters.
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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 16:55:25 (permalink)
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    I don't know if you have ever been at that place where you know you know and you know why you know 

    In the book I'm reading right now, the Nobel Prize author would say that most of the time this is the result of heuristic thinking. 


    There isn't a single mystic out there that has not stated this, or shown it.
     
    Pretty much a lot of my ideas were formulated, the day that I stated to my family at the Monastery of the Jeronimo in Lisbon, that there were things going around that ... were not things ... they were "energies" and they were not the reflections from the glass by the sun into the building ... and those "entities" had "life" ... but all anyone could tell me was ... "you're imagining things little boy" ... and of course, one of the things I found out real quick in the arts was? ... there were others that also "saw" these things ... and they talked about it, wrote about it and created music for it!
     
    (that's the place where Vasco da Game and other digniteries are buried, btw)
     
    And then one day in LA, when we went to see the Tutankhamen thing the first time, I had a really good friend that was a psychic and he was good and all that ... but we were good friends and shared music like crazy! I was the only other person he ever met that shared the love for far out and different music! We walk in and I told him ... I don't like this ... there is a high pitch wail/scream that is really annoying and I don't want to be here. And of course the place was full!
     
    So 4 years later the exhibition comes back to LA, with exactly the same items!  ... and it was empty .. no one cared. And Pete and I thought ... that's weird ... and we went to check it out ... that wail/screm was gone ... and we knew right away that it was what got people's attention.
     
    Now, I can say that Bapu was the reason why that was there ... and he did not get his million for it!
     
    All my inner studies, and I was an avid reader from these days, starting with John Lilly, Robert Monroe, Edgar Cayce, T Lobsanga Rampa, Gurdjieff, Crowley, Dion Fortune, Carlos Castaneda, Lynn Andrews, Marlo Morgan, Marlilyn Tuneshende ... doesn't matter the name ... have always been ... attempts at studying these things better ... and if I have one deadly fault for people that don't like it, is that I assimilate the creation of music, of your poem, or you everything ... a part of this puzzle, and this confuses folks badly ... makes them have to take stock, care and attention to their inner side ...
     
    The rest is easy ... it's all about the "translation" ... no kidding!
     
    Stop thinking that creativity is something that someone can annoint you with! That is the social design telling you that you are not a "chosen" one!
     

     
    post edited by Moshkiae - 2012/09/15 17:03:50

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 17:18:23 (permalink)
    yes Noldar I agree.
     
    I believe most of the people in this coffee house could be civil when discussing current events. There's just a handful of neanderthals who make that impossible.
     
    I'm on a few political forums and I find the posters that argue and anger at the drop of a hat are extremely closed minded.
     
    I don't understand this lack of an open mind. None of us have all the facts, truth, knowledge of what's really going down on this planet today, so why are we so steadfast in our opinions?
     
    Differences should be welcomed and respected.

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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 17:24:09 (permalink)
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    Differences should be welcomed and respected.

    provided they are based on some rationals...
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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 18:05:12 (permalink)
    As for periods of non-creativity: they happen, and if I don't write for a period of time, that is ok; there are many other things I can keep busy and productive with.

     
    I never called these "non-creativity" ... because it was always a "change" and a chance to learn something new ... I wonder if we're confusing "creativity" ... with ... doing another song that is the same as the old song?
     
    When I can't write, it never is because I have no ideas ... it is because the way it wants to come down is totally different than ... what I am used to and it takes me a bit longer to get comfortable with that new process.
     
    Not sure that is "crativity" or not, but I have given up trying to reduce the meanderings of the human spirit to a "creative" or non-creative something or other ... sometimes ... it just IS ... what it is!
     
    Or as Frank would say ... shut up and play yer gueetar!

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 19:32:25 (permalink)
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    As for periods of non-creativity: they happen, and if I don't write for a period of time, that is ok; there are many other things I can keep busy and productive with.

     
    I never called these "non-creativity" ... because it was always a "change" and a chance to learn something new ... I wonder if we're confusing "creativity" ... with ... doing another song that is the same as the old song?
     
    When I can't write, it never is because I have no ideas ... it is because the way it wants to come down is totally different than ... what I am used to and it takes me a bit longer to get comfortable with that new process.
     

    well said. we often confuse creativity with productivity - totally different animals...



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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 20:26:10 (permalink)
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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 21:35:27 (permalink)
    Well... it's a matter of focus. Yeah, easy word with many meanings. But, ask yourself, if you're trying to create, why go anywhere but your own skull and personal space? Some forum you go to is not going to provide you with creativity. You are going to be distracted by extranious "noise"- "input" that doesn't have anything to do with what you're trying to create. Who cares what some unknown name on a website in cyberspace says. It's a matter of focus, don't run a chain saw when you're trying to think.

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    Re:Killing My Creativity 2012/09/15 21:45:14 (permalink)
    Crg


     It's a matter of focus, don't run a chain saw when you're trying to think.

    that is actually a good idea,
    I knew something was disturbing my thoughts...




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