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Knockin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
Bob Dylan's "Knockin on Heaven's Door" is in the soundtrack of a movie I just saw (Rock the Kasbah). I had not heard that track in a while and the vocal sound really jumped out at me. Has anyone ever read what the vocal chain was used on this? It sounds like a ton of 1176 but I don't think it's that simple. The reverb sound is also interesting but not mysterious. The other aspects of the sound are really different for Dylan. Surely someone has written an article on this session, but I can't find it. Thanks. PS If you listen to "Like a Rolling Stone" you will immediately hear the difference (and I don't just mean the mic pops on Rolling Stone).
post edited by konradh - 2015/10/27 09:11:08
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/26 22:11:28
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Who wrote Konckin on Heavens Door? Lol
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/27 08:59:50
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Haha! Typo fixed. Question stands. 
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/27 12:46:18
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To be honest it sounds to me like the reverb is most of the character in that vocal. Maybe a bit of sidechain compression on the verb with a slow release? It sounds like there's a nice swell to it.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/27 13:09:07
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Maybe because it is the only song he ever really sang.
I imagine the arrangement has a lot to do w/ the way the vocals fill up the space. Slower song and less instrumentation from memory.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/27 13:25:47
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Who wrote Konckin on Heavens Door? Lol
edit: in case anyone doesn't know wth this is it's a scene from Trailer Park Boys. The puppet is "Bubbles'" evil alter ego "Conky" whom is terrorizing the rather dim witted Ricky in this scene. Comedy gold.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/27 18:00:06
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So, I think that Dylan recorded this song in a movie studio (NBC or Burbank). Hopefully, this tidbit can lead you to more of what equipment NBC had available for recording music back in 1973.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/27 21:05:17
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Betcha it's a Neumann into an LA2A + Plate reverb. Just because that would have been the standard setup in any good studio in 1973, and it's clearly a plate.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/27 22:16:36
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Good comments, thanks. And the LA2A definitely makes sense. Dylan's voice normally has way more dynamics (and that's an understatement).
And I do remember that for a while it was popular to use a lot of reverb but with a fast decay. This might have been a little ahead of that trend.
I guess this is one of those magic combinations of mic, compressor, reverb, room, and singer.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/28 02:00:43
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/10/30 14:24:00
Aw man, why'd you fix the typo?
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/28 03:58:44
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Wasn't that song originally made for a western movie soundtrack, Pat Garret & Billy The Kid? That could be the reason the solutions were different from Dylans usual ones. Also, isn't it possible the new movie soundtrack has gone through some processing that doesn't exist in the original one.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/28 08:52:55
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Yes, it was made for a movie and that could have influenced the choices. The vocal is clearly processed differently than other Dylan records.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/28 12:07:01
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It wasn't normal for Dylan to use a lot of reverb. Most of his vocals were dry and close-miked, but heavily compressed once he went electric. I think that atypical effect was intentional in that song, to convey someone floating away on the verge of death. Although now that I think about it, "Lay Lady Lay" was pretty reverberant, too. Maybe that was some producer's idea to give Dylan a more pop-sound.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/28 12:26:54
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I remember it and it is a really beautiful song. But then it is Bob Dylan.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/28 13:39:26
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/10/30 14:25:00
Interesting. When Dylan and I meet Ringo for dinner at Sir Paul's house Saturday, I'll ask if he remembers.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/28 19:20:31
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Interesting. When Dylan and I meet Ringo for dinner at Sir Paul's house Saturday, I'll ask if he remembers.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/29 08:48:23
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Tom, Ringo said what about that $500 you owe him for getting you out of jail in LA.
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/29 18:07:46
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Awww man, I thought he forgot about that.........
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Re: Konckin on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
2015/10/30 16:38:53
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Going for a guess on the plate reverb in 1973. EMT 140 was the gold standard.
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