Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs

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Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs

I have the Kontakt 5 free player which I use for Vir2 Acoustic Legends HD and Electr6ity.  No problem there.
 
I recently downloaded some free content from NI for the Kontakt 5 player.  There are a couple of good drum kits included.
 
Question: How do I assign various drums in a kit to different outpus?  I know how to do this with Session Drummer 3, but not with Kontakt.  For example, I want the kick, snare, and hi-hat on different audio tracks.  I could open multiple instances of Kontkt, but there must be a better way.
 
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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/18 18:15:47 (permalink)
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    I have the Kontakt 5 free player which I use for Vir2 Acoustic Legends HD and Electr6ity.  No problem there.
     
    I recently downloaded some free content from NI for the Kontakt 5 player.  There are a couple of good drum kits included.
     
    Question: How do I assign various drums in a kit to different outpus?  I know how to do this with Session Drummer 3, but not with Kontakt.  For example, I want the kick, snare, and hi-hat on different audio tracks.  I could open multiple instances of Kontkt, but there must be a better way.
     
    Thanks.

    Pretty much the same way as Session Drummer.
    In the console/mixer view of kontakt at the bottom of each instrument channel you can select the output for each instrument.
     

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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/18 18:37:04 (permalink)
    Thanks, kevo, but how does one get to the mixer/console view in the free player?  I do not see that.

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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/18 22:55:53 (permalink)
    Thoughts anyone?  I can click the Output icon in the player and see something like a mixer/console view but 1-I see no way to assign various drum notes/sounds to the various outputs and 2-I do not see how the outputs relate to various Sonar audio tracks.

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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/19 00:30:00 (permalink)
    Let me check and see when I get in the studio. 
     
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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/19 01:39:11 (permalink)
    Well Konrad,
    I figured out how to route the different drums to different channels in kontakt 5. Unfortunately it is not a process that I am capable of creating step by step instructions.  It is certainly not as simple and straight forward as SSD3.

    Hopefully someone who is more familiar with kontact, and will know an easier way will show up.

    I apologize as I thought the outputs could simply be selected in the console view.

    Since I stuck my foot in it, I'll keep checking to see if there is an easier way than how I did it.

    Hopefully I can find a video or tutorial and post a link.


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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/19 02:01:25 (permalink)

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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/19 11:11:00 (permalink)
    kevo, Thanks for all the help, bro.  I will watch the videos and also see if the NI forum--not nearly as responsive as this one!--has any ideas.

    I can work around with different instances, if needed, but want to figure this out before I sink major dollars into the Abbey Road drum collection.

    I am one of those people who is never satisfied with the kick, bass, and snare (though snare is less of a problem).  I probably spend more time on the kick drum and bass guitar selection, EQ, and mix than on everything else combined!  And, as you know, nothing screws up a mix faster than getting those wrong.
     
    On thing I do like in Kontakt:  For the free drums, anyway, there is an attack control—don't know if that is in the Abbey Road set.  I have another thread on this forum about making the kick push instead of hit, and the smallest possible movement on the kick drum attack knob in Kontakt works wonders.  The kick still has an attack but it is not hard.  I like a good thump without sounding like the speakers are clicking or popping.

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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/19 12:35:32 (permalink)
    NI Forum Moderator's answer:
    You can configure the Outputs section of Kontakt to support multiple outputs (see your manual for details on how this works).

    But as far as different libraries, it depends which libraries and how they are set up. With some libraries, multi-outputs are designed to be accessible from the Performance View (the panel where you can adjust various things about the instrument). If you are working with a library that doesn't have this available in Performance View, you won't be able to do this in Kontakt Player -- you would need the full version of Kontakt to do it.

    Konrad's reply:
    Thanks for replying. With the drum kits included with the free content for Kontakt 5, I do not see any way to route the individual drum sounds on the panel I assume is the performance panel: the one with attack, articulation, etc.

    From this I assume it is not possible to route the individual sounds to various tracks in Sonar.
    Do you know if this function is available in the Abbey Road collection sold by NI and compatible with the free player?
    Thanks.

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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/19 14:01:00 (permalink)
    If it's a Native Instruments drum kit, I would be very surprised if it didn't have multi-out functionality, even if it is free. In their Abbey Road series, the output selectors are always in the Mixer. However, the exact location varies. In the "Drums" series (70's Drums, 80's Drums etc) the output selectors for each drum are right below the channel faders. They are set to "default" by default. In the "Drummer" series, however, the output selectors are in the FX chain area, under "settings." 

    Do you have a link to the free drum kit? I'm always up for some more free content, and I will take a look at it to see if I can't work it out. 

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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/19 17:29:00 (permalink)
    I think the routing of different drums to different outputs is only available if the kit is made up of separate instruments. The free kits that come with the free player are single instruments, whereas, if you load up e.g. Steven Slate kits, they are multis, with each drum or cymbal being a separate instrument that can be routed to your choice of output

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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/19 20:27:21 (permalink)
    Bigdogs, You may have hit upon it, thanks.  I will use separate instances with the free content.  I am planning to order Abbey Road soon.

    sharke, Here is the link to the free content.  There are not a lot of intruments, but what is there is very good.  The bass, drums, clav, Rhodes, etc. are excellent, especially since there are articulation controls for each.  There is definitely enough content to do a reasonable rock band arrangement.  The jazz guitar is good, too, but I already have Electri6ity, RealStrat, RealLPC, and some other stuff, so I was less excited about that.

    http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/kontakt-5-player/?page=2483

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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/19 21:53:24 (permalink)
    Ah yes, I already have the Factory Library, it came with Kontakt when I bought Komplete. There is indeed some great stuff there. 

    Take a look at the top left of the drum kit instrument in Kontakt. Do you see a spanner icon? This is the Edit Mode button. I think...but I'm not sure....that perhaps you can use these options to route different notes through different channels. I have no idea how you do it because I have not delved into that area of Kontakt, but I should think it explains everything on that option screen in the manual. 

    If the spanner isn't there, I guess that means instrument editing is not available in the free player.  

    If it is, and you can do the routing here, you would of course have to create the stereo channels in the "output" window (icon at the top of the player). There are tutorials on YouTube that explain how to do that. 





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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/19 23:38:16 (permalink)
    I have K5 and can access the output section from the toolbar. I can also call up a mixer and mix the individual drums inside of kontakt. If you can't access these modules with the player I think you're stuck. I also can't tell you how I'm set up for multi-outs.

    Kontakt really seems to suck when it comes to setting up multi outs. If I set up one kit and then change the kit, the multi out stops working. In the Abbey Road 60's drums you get a retro design interface for the mixer and it's also tied in with the multi out settings.



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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/19 23:44:10 (permalink)
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    I have K5 and can access the output section from the toolbar. I can also call up a mixer and mix the individual drums inside of kontakt. If you can't access these modules with the player I think you're stuck. I also can't tell you how I'm set up for multi-outs.

    Kontakt really seems to suck when it comes to setting up multi outs. If I set up one kit and then change the kit, the multi out stops working. In the Abbey Road 60's drums you get a retro design interface for the mixer and it's also tied in with the multi out settings.

    Kontakt needs to take a leaf out of Battery's book. Setting up multi-outs from Battery is so easy in comparison. 

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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/20 00:22:55 (permalink)
    I don't know about the difference between the player and the full version, but with the Abbey Road drums in Kontakt 5, click on the wrench to access the instrument editor.

    Click on the Script Editor button. then click on the Mixer tab. A drop-down menu below each fader allows choosing whichever output channels you've added to your output mixer.

    I don't think the player does scripting, but it may run scripts...see if the Script Editor button is there.
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    Re:Kontakt 5 Player in Sonar - Outputs 2012/11/20 00:41:29 (permalink)
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    I don't know about the difference between the player and the full version, but with the Abbey Road drums in Kontakt 5, click on the wrench to access the instrument editor.

    Click on the Script Editor button. then click on the Mixer tab. A drop-down menu below each fader allows choosing whichever output channels you've added to your output mixer.

    I don't think the player does scripting, but it may run scripts...see if the Script Editor button is there.
    In Abbey Road Drums, you can access the routing selectors by simply going to the mixer tab at the bottom, you don't need to go via the wrench icon. 


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