[SOLVED] Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang

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[SOLVED] Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang

After I updated to the most recent SONAR Platinum, any project, new or existing, with Kontakt 5 in it, will open, but then SONAR stops responding and stays that way. I tried some other Native Instruments VSTs, and they don't seem to be causing the same problem. My Kontakt 5 is at version 5.5.2.880, the latest from the update tab.
 
This is frustrating and I could sure use some help...
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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 09:32:09 (permalink)
    More information - it seems to be okay until I actually load an instrument in Kontakt. I tried uninstalling Kontakt 5 and reinstalling but have the same results. It actually WILL come back (I hadn't waited long enough before) but will hang again after showing then hiding the Kontakt interface. It hangs for about 5-6 minutes.
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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 11:31:36 (permalink)
    Have you tried resetting and rescanning your vst's in prefs?


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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 12:33:36 (permalink)
    Is it possible you're inadvertently running the 32-bit version of SONAR after the re-install?


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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 12:40:04 (permalink)
    @gustabo: I have rescanned multiple times with the same results. I'm not sure what resetting would be in this context.
     
    @bitflipper: I only HAVE the 64-bit version of SONAR installed, so I think the odds of it are very low. :)

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 13:03:35 (permalink)
    At this point, it might be worth re personalizing Sonar.
    Hold down CTRL and double click on the Sonar desktop icon (CTRL+Start Sonar).
    It will ask if you want to re personalize, select yes. go through the rescan process.
     
    it could be an update. are you up to date on all windows updates ?
    also make sure your graphics are all up to date. some of the Kontakts library's can be graphic intensive and require the latest versions of graphics drivers. as well as sonar using open GL. you need these updates.
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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 13:03:41 (permalink)
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    @gustabo: I have rescanned multiple times with the same results. I'm not sure what resetting would be in this context.
     

    Press the button that says "Reset" in Edit > Preferences > File > VST Settings and then press "Scan"


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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 13:59:51 (permalink)
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    Press the button

    i can't not hear that in an arnie voice

    just a sec

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 13:59:51 (permalink)
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    Press the button

    i can't not hear that in an arnie voice

    just a sec

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 14:20:03 (permalink)
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    After I updated to the most recent SONAR Platinum, any project, new or existing, with Kontakt 5 in it, will open, but then SONAR stops responding and stays that way. I tried some other Native Instruments VSTs, and they don't seem to be causing the same problem. My Kontakt 5 is at version 5.5.2.880, the latest from the update tab.
     
    This is frustrating and I could sure use some help...




    Tried to reproduce. There are 3 Kontakt choices, does it happen to all of them?

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 18:50:45 (permalink)
    @chuckebaby - I re-personalized and re-scanned with same results. I have a NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT, and according to Windows, the driver software is up to date and I am up to date with Windows 10 updates. 
     
    @gustabo - I did the reset and re-scan with the same results.
     
    @kitekrazy1 - All three instances of Kontakt 5 behave the same.
     
    I just loaded a project that had two instances of Kontakt 5 loaded and it PLAYED just fine. When I opened the Kontakt UI and interacted with it, it hung again.
     
    One other bit that may be important - after the 2016.08 update, I occasionally get a window at the bottom of the screen where running programs show up that says "HUDNow", but this seems to be happening when loading projects. I haven't been able to determine yet if there is a pattern to when this occurs.

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 19:44:07 (permalink)
    Kontakt 5 is up to date?
     
    Just F.Y.I
    I have Windows Updates disabled and haven't done an update other than the first day I installed the OS,
    2 or more years ago, and Kontakt 5 runs perfectly on the most recent version of splat.

    When istalling splat 2 days ago it updated 2 things but other than that
    I don't do Windows updates and have never had a problem because of it.
    That partition is music only and never anything else unless it's music software related.


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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 19:53:52 (permalink)
    @Steve_Karl - sorry, in the first post I mentioned that Kontakt 5 is up to date according to the Native Instruments Service Center - 5.5.2.880. I am also on the most recent version of SONAR Platinum, too - 2016.08.

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/28 20:10:25 (permalink)
    nVidia...not the first time that name has popped up. First, don't trust Windows to know what's the right driver. Always get graphics drivers from the manufacturer's site. I had a big problem with a Radeon card and had the "latest update." But I didn't. When I got it from the site, all was well. Also, try rolling back your graphics driver to a previous version.

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/30 18:11:49 (permalink)
    @Anderton - I updated to the most recent version according to the nVidia site. No change.
    I updated to 2016.08 Update 1 and no change.
    Sigh. Any other thoughts?

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/30 18:54:27 (permalink)
    Have you tried Kontakt in any other host applications? VSTHost from here http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm is pretty lightweight.
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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/30 19:17:18 (permalink)
    Does the standalone version of Kontakt 5 work properly?
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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/30 20:51:07 (permalink)
    @adrian.crossan - Wow... I wish that I had tried that earlier! It fails the same way in Reaper 5.23/x64, too. 
    @shawker - It seems to work fine in standalone. No hangs and with multiple libraries tested. That implies it could be something related to being hosted.
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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/30 21:14:17 (permalink)
    I just tried doing an Windows Defender exclusion of all the sample directories and VST directories and it didn't make any difference for the hang...

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/31 20:15:14 (permalink)
    Okay - if it's possible that it's graphics card related, can anyone propose a decent graphics card that I might try to see if it's that?

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/31 20:53:43 (permalink)
    If the behavior is the same in Reaper and Sonar - the VST is messed up. It's not graphic card related.

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/08/31 21:07:29 (permalink)
    I had a similar problem with a Kontakt 5 upgrade.  What solved it for me was to reinstall Kontakt 5.  Just make sure that the VST option has a check mark beside it.  When I initially upgraded I didn't see that it was not checked!  You might try and see if this is the problem.
     

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/09/01 02:40:29 (permalink)
    Hi:)
     
    since the last update from august sonar is hanging for about 5 minutes, but only if I close the Kontakt plugin window, if I let it stay open, no problem.....
     
    the problem is, I don't know if it was the sonar update or the win 10 anniversary update
     
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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/09/01 02:53:58 (permalink)
    I'm running latest Win 10 and Kontakt 5 updates without any issues in Sonar (other than specific bugs with Sonar I've mentioned elsewhere).
     
    I would clean out the VST folders, both 32-bit and 64-bit, of any Kontakt DLLs, including previous versions if they exist. Then manually copy or reinstall. It might be best to search your whole system for Kontakt DLLs but I would definitely check *all* the VST folder locations configured within Sonar regardless of what is supposed to be in them.
     
    Its possible a damaged DLL has not been removed before reinstalling and is sitting there laughing in the face of uninstall protocols.
     
    If you've already done a thorough clean of your system for pre-existing versions, I'd probably have a look at the Sonar settings. What bit depth and frequency do you run at? Try reducing those settings and see how Kontakt behaves. NI products sometimes get a bit over-excited at higher settings and don't stop gracefully (I'm looking at you Reaktor). If no difference then return them to previous state.
     
    Personally, I'd also have a nosey in the registry but I don't recommend that unless your very sure of your ability to recover from any mis-clicks in there.
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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/09/01 08:32:19 (permalink)
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    Hi:)
     
    since the last update from august sonar is hanging for about 5 minutes, but only if I close the Kontakt plugin window, if I let it stay open, no problem.....
     
    the problem is, I don't know if it was the sonar update or the win 10 anniversary update
     
    Bassman.

    That's what it is doing for me! If I open a project with Kontakt 5 and don't open the VST window, the project will play just fine. If I OPEN the VST Window, and then close it (as you might normally do) it hangs for 5 minutes for me. 
     
    Interesting that it's not just my machine!

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/09/01 08:39:01 (permalink)
    @MarioD - thanks for the suggestion. I've already uninstalled and re-installed Kontakt 5, and it made no difference.
    @Roo Stercogburn - I'll look for Kontakt 5 dlls and clean them up and re-install, but I normally just run my SONAR projects at 44.1K, so I'm not doing any high bit rate projects anyway, so I doubt that's the issue. 
     
    I find it interesting that Bassman is having the same issue as me! It makes me wonder if perhaps some dependency DLL got changed by one or more of the updates and it conflicts with Kontakt 5 or something...

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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/09/01 08:48:03 (permalink)
    That really sounds like the standalone K5 and VST plugin K5 are using DLLs from different locations and the VST usage is coming from an out-of-date, corrupt or non-existent location.
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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/09/01 09:04:25 (permalink)
    HI:)
     
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    With VSTpaths all is ok, only 3 dlls on PC! 
    What registry keys would you look for??
     
    When I open Kontakt and I click on the Browser I can see that it is searching on and on for about 15 min. that's not normal action....maybe it's searching for a network path?? 
     
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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/09/01 09:29:10 (permalink)
    Have you recently changed file paths or deleted drives?
     
    I don't have my system in front of me at the moment but Kontakt will have an entry showing where it expects to find its files and I'd look to make sure that where it is finding its DLL is the same place that Cakewalk is configured to look for DLLs.
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    Re: Kontakt 5 is causing SONAR Platinum to hang 2016/09/02 02:59:08 (permalink)
    @Roo Stercogburn
     
    I have not changed anything, all paths are the same as always. Same Problem with Standalone Version, Browser is searching for about 15 minutes.
    Tried to install an older Version, doesn't hang, but gives an error (your version is too old) loading my libraries.
     
    Hm, looks like I have to write in the NI Forum......not a Sonar Problem IMHO.
     
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