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Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
I have three instruments loaded in a single iteration of Kontakt. They are on separate midi tracks. When I solo one track in the DAW, the solo button lights on all tracks which means I can't solo any track. Any ideas? I thought that may happen when muting tracks as well but it doesn't. Each track can be muted without affecting the other tracks.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/11 07:30:18
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It visually looks like this (i.e. you solo one Kontakt MIDI track and all Kontakt audio tracks get soloed, too ... you solo one Kontakt audio track and all Kontakt MIDI tracks get soloed, too), but what you hear is correct, meaning either soloing MIDI drums or audio track to where Kontakt drums are routed to will give you only the drums and mute the rest of the Kontakt instance.
I would assume this is because Sonar cannot know anything about the internal Kontakt routing; virtually any MIDI track could be routed to any Kontakt audio track so above behaviour seems to be the logical consequence.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/11 10:30:09
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Rob[atSound-Rehab]
... but what you hear is correct, meaning either soloing MIDI drums or audio track to where Kontakt drums are routed to will give you only the drums and mute the rest of the Kontakt instance.
Thank you for the advice, Rob. That is the trouble. If I solo one track, all tracks play. In effect, soloing makes no difference to the overall audio output. Each midi track is on a different midi channel and each audio track is on its own stereo output pair.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/11 17:30:23
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Rob[atSound-Rehab]
... but what you hear is correct, meaning either soloing MIDI drums or audio track to where Kontakt drums are routed to will give you only the drums and mute the rest of the Kontakt instance.
Thank you for the advice, Rob. That is the trouble. If I solo one track, all tracks play. In effect, soloing makes no difference to the overall audio output. Each midi track is on a different midi channel and each audio track is on its own stereo output pair.
You have probably done this 3 times but ... double-check the routing inside Kontakt, double check your Sonar sends (pre/post) and aux tracks (if there are any) and if all that seems ok, try to quickly test that in a new project with simple Kontakt only setup (maybe something got corrupted in that other project)
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/11 17:52:47
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Try this solution, from abacab in a similar situation.
"First check that you only have "Input Echo = On" for the desired tracks in the track view that you want to hear. If you have more than one track selected for Input Echo, you will hear a layered sound from the associated soft synths."
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/11 19:11:23
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That's bizarre. Are you soloing the MIDI tracks or the audio tracks?
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/11 23:08:52
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I have double and triple checked the routing in both Kontakt and Sonar. Input echo=on is only on for the track in focus.
I have soloed both the midi tracks and audio tracks with the same result. Really is weird!
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/13 17:45:42
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I'd guess a corrupted project file.
Does it do it on all projects?
Try starting a project from scratch and test it.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/14 05:05:00
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Hey Steve. Yes, it does it on all new projects as well so I guess we can discount a corrupted project file.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/15 07:22:38
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I LITERALLY just checked in a current Sonar Platinum project I am working on, which has a single Kontakt instance that has Piano, Brass, and Strings loaded up, each on their own midi channel, AND each routed to their own output channels in Kontakt.
There are additional synths loaded into the project, but they do not factor into this situation.
I just literally went through and soloed the Piano midi track, while the Piano midi track was in focus, with its midi input echo ON, and the Strings midi input echo was ALSO on.
While the Solo buttons all turned green for the audio tracks that connected to that Kontakt instance, and the Solo button for the Piano midi track was also on, ONLY Piano is heard when I trigger notes from my midi controller.
If I take the Solo OFF of the Piano midi track, and trigger notes, I hear both Piano and Strings, as expected.
So if you are doing the above and NOT getting the same kinds of results, then I do not understand how you have things set up and routed.
I work daily with Kontakt instruments within sometimes 4 or 5 or more Kontakt instances for any given project of mine, and I do NOT have the issues you report. YES, it lights up all of the solo lights on the audio tracks for any instrument loaded into that particular Kontakt instance, however, I only hear the correct instrument's sounds while playing.
Obviously what you are experiencing IS real - I just don't know how you are having the issues - meaning I just don't understand what could produce those issues.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/15 08:19:18
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Hello Bob. A very useful post. I have Kontakt set up correctly, I am sure. The midi and audio routing is correct, I'm fairly sure. But, I still run into the same problem. All I can think of is that I have somehow routed stuff incorrectly but, for the life of me, I can't see how!
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/15 14:10:14
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Can you confim that the issue you are reporting is about what you're actually hearing
and not just about what you are seeing?
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/15 21:07:57
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Is it possible you picked the stereo out vs the 8 or 16?
I am wrestling with Kontakt as well.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/16 05:07:27
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Hello Steve. Yes, the issue is most definitely what I am hearing which is backed up by what I am seeing.
Hello Guy. I am sure I have the outputs correctly set in Kontakt.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/16 05:07:51
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Wrestling with Kontakt is such an apt way to put it!
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/16 16:30:35
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Ahhhh ...
have you verified that each midi track is being sent to a specific (numbered as in 1, 2, 3 ) midi channel in the Sonar channel strip?
More clearly ... Never use "omni".
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/16 17:07:13
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☄ Helpfulby arachnaut 2017/09/04 14:58:09
Speaking of wrestling with Kontakt - here's how to win the match and never have to get back in the ring. 1) Never use anything less that the full version - 16 stereo outs, in Sonar. Reason is it will limit your possibilities of expanding if you need to, and the full version takes no more resources than the lesser versions. Go to the plugin manager and disable the 2 lesser versions and never go back. 2) Reconfigure Kontakts output section as described in this video. ( jump to 5:07 for the meat of the issue ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11yaPOIaZ70&t=304s The assignment menu for audio tracks in Sonar will never again be confusing! (Edit: in the video ... Easier to delete all tracks including the 4 AUX and add 16.) Setup to create a K5 1 track template: 3) (One time) Load and setup Kontakt with all audio outs, and with it all contained in a track folder. Delete the second set of 16 audio outs that are not assigned to 1 thru 16 in Kontakt. 4) Remove the 1 midi track from the folder and move it to it's own folder called "K5 1 Midi" 5) Rename the folder containing the 16 stereo audio tracks to "K5 1 Audio" and also rename the tracks as 1,2,3,4,5 etc. 6) Create 15 midi tracks, move them to the folder called "K5 1 Midi" and reassign them to point to that instance of Kontakt and make sure to also assign individual midi channels and also rename the tracks 1,2,3,4,5, etc. 7) (Optional) Create a bus called K5 1 and point all audio tracks in the "K5 1 Audio" folder to that bus. Now ... Create a track template of this setup. From now on, any time you want to use Kontakt in a multi session to any amount of individual tracks, just load that track template and you're ready to go. If you're going to use less than 16 channels the just hide the others. --- I did this a long time ago and it has been smooth sailing ever since. P.S. It also couldn't hurt to save your output setup inside of Kontakt. Go to Preset/Batch Configuration and save it there under a specific name like for instance "16 stereo - No AUX" This way, if you ever get messed up you can just reload that Output configuration.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/16 23:33:07
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Geez Steve! What an awesome post! Thank you for going to that effort. I will try what you have suggested point for point (and will watch the video). I'll let you know how I go. Sounds very promising. Steve_Karl
Ahhhh ...
have you verified that each midi track is being sent to a specific (numbered as in 1, 2, 3 ) midi channel in the Sonar channel strip?
More clearly ... Never use "omni".
Yes, each track is routed to its own midi channel in Sonar.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/17 16:09:03
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Ruckman65
Geez Steve! What an awesome post! Thank you for going to that effort. I will try what you have suggested point for point (and will watch the video). I'll let you know how I go. Sounds very promising.
Steve_Karl
Ahhhh ...
have you verified that each midi track is being sent to a specific (numbered as in 1, 2, 3 ) midi channel in the Sonar channel strip?
More clearly ... Never use "omni".
Yes, each track is routed to its own midi channel in Sonar.
You're welcome. Too bad we haven't yet figured out the original problem. At this point, if it were me, I'd be uninstalling Kontakt and Sonar and reinstalling both.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/17 17:45:39
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Hey Steve Karl, I really dig your setup, eliminate all the confussion! however the video you suggest is 4:33, yet you suggest to jump to 5:07?
Is there another video?
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/17 17:50:23
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Hey Steve Karl, I really dig your setup, eliminate all the confussion! however the video you suggest is 4:33, yet you suggest to jump to 5:07?
Is there another video?
Guy
Yes. Sorry wrong video. Here's the correct one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11yaPOIaZ70&t=304s I also fixed my original post.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/19 11:46:53
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Hello Steve. Followed your instructions to the letter and watched the video. A winner! It all now works as it should, including the soloing of individual tracks. Thank you very much for your help and excellent post.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/19 15:45:50
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Glad it's solved but we still don't know what the problem was.
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/06/20 05:19:37
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Glad it's solved but we still don't know what the problem was.
That's true but I don't want to go back to find out!
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Re: Kontakt Multi Soloing Issue
2017/09/03 21:58:49
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that is how I have done it for some time now. Good to see it put in print to help others though.
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